[Ron]
generally speaking yes, but it's the particular ideas that are not self evident. All people have ideas, but not every idea is held by all people.

[Arlo]
Exactly. And it is the enactment of civil governance that gives one set of ideas legitimacy over another. Indeed, we enact government to say "we believe this idea is best" and to provide the authority to back up its instantiation. "Private property" is one such idea, that is not "self-evident", but comes from the social and historical underpinnings to modern man's reasoning. And we enacted a government that legitimizes "property rights" and provides an authority to back them up.

Without this, you'd just have two guys standing on a hill.

"This hill is mine."
"No, this hill doesn't 'belong' to any one, it is free land for all people to enjoy."

Who is "right"? Whoever can convince more people. Whoever has the authority of civil governance on their side to legitimize their claim.

"Self-evident" is a buzzword, and it usually means, "it's the way I personally think" with an appeal to a "higher power" to justify that your beliefs are right and everyone else's are wrong.





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