Platt, I think the Creator did, yet, the Creator doesn't have to be appealed to. You can. It's good. But don't have to. Thomas Aquinas, an avid Christian as we all may know, wrote about how Natural Law can be reasoned and a person doesn't have to appeal to the Creator. Thomas appealed to the Creator, but he pointing out an innocent statement. I think we can do the same but I never forget about the Creator. I have faith.
Nick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How? > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:56:11 -0400 > > > On 9 Jun 2009 at 14:33, blue-jay maple wrote: > > > Ron, > > You don't need to appeal to a Creator for natural rights. They > > are as natural as physics. > > Nick: > > Yes, but who or what created nature? > > Platt > > > > > > > Platt, > > > "endowed by their creator" do we have a "creator"? > > > > while I do respect the ideal of the Universal Declaration of > > Human Rights, > > > you however seem not to, per your previous posts you seem to > > think > that civil rights is "slouching > > > toward Gomorrah" and per Bork, the reason why western civilisation > > > is on the decline. > > > > how do you plead? > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 3:06:27 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How? > > > > On 9 Jun 2009 at 12:48, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > > > > > "Rights", including "property rights", are not "natural", > > they > > are "intellectual". And as intellectual patterns they > > derive from > > the culture from whence they came. Socially we > > craft civil > > governance in accord with our intellectual > > patterns, to give them > > legitimacy and authority. "Rights" > > derive from man, not the > > natural world. > > > > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > > > > equal, > > > that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, > > > that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That > > > to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving > > > their just powers from the consent of the governed." > > > > -- Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776 > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
