I am so steeped (as in tea of a different flavor) in the emptiness of
patterns that it comes quickly to mind. It's quite possible that I
will still push the wisdom aside, but it's gained in strength and has
become quite insistent. And while my definition of self may be
boring to tears, it does express the proper perspective.
Family is the toughest nut, but it is getting easier. After all
family members are mostly my own static patterns of value too. Of
course, my significant other is a 9 lb black poodle.
Marsha
At 09:09 AM 6/12/2009, you wrote:
Marsha,
I use it for stratagizing and planning, designing it can be very useful in
aligning intent also. Useful. When it becomes a hinderance I let it fall
into the backround and focus on the now. I try to have it serve me instead
of me serving it. The problem is recognizing when it is a help or a
hinderance.
-Ron
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From: MarshaV <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:47:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Free speech
Hi Ron,
And isn't this the problem of many types patterns. So running on
automatic are these patterns that a fresh evaluation of an
experience/event is never considered. What was liberating for me was
to understand the nature of all patterns, and letting them take
second place importance whenever possible. When caught in a
difficult pattern-loop, it becomes easier to label it 'conceptually
constructed pattern', drop it, and move on for a more direct
experience. I find the sweeping dismissal works far better than
trying to combat every instance.
Marsha
At 08:07 AM 6/12/2009, you wrote:
>John,
>You bring up an interesting point, are we in fact promoting
>legislating the words
>or the act of threates and intimidation which may include words.
>
>
>
>What do you do with people locked in thought traps, burning in
>hatred and fear? I still
>catch myself obsessing about things.
>
>I'll invent scenerios in my mind getting me emotionally charged
>which sets the tone for how I approach expereince.
>
>People have the power to infuence expereince and most are not aware
>of it. An ability
>undisciplined, unrecognized and misunderstood in our culture.
>
>
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>
>________________________________
>From: John Carl <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:03:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [MD] Free speech
>
>Interesting right now with a holocaust denier so much in the news...
>What it has led me to wonder is the proper role of ostracism. If we deny
>the hater his speech, isn't that just more likely to force him into action?
>Since this thread began with Nick, it's relevant to wonder if we don't
>scapegoat others as a way of making ourselves look better, building group
>unity in the name of ostracising whereas the higher quality way would be to
>refine our intellectual tools of persuasion in the hopes that the lost might
>be saved.
>
>John the saintly sounding
>
>
>
>On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Ron,
> > So I would not shout
> > down and otherwise prevent a Holocaust denier from speaking on
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