[Ron] Art, begins, I believe, with love. The highest form being the love of wisdom. Crafting this value allows one to build it into their lives. It is a discipline to be sure
[Arlo] Maybe this is a semantic thing, but I don't see it as a "discipline" at all. "Art" applies to all forms of human activity, indeed, I'd argue that "art" could be understood as "Quality" revealed in "activity". Ron: That is my meaning, I think it takes discipline to understand, percieve and utilize it. [Ron prev.] Art does pertain to a certain human activity, that of love. [Arlo] Well, this is again worded odd for me. "Love" is not a certain human activity, it is how we are involved. If you mean that Art/Love are terms pointing at the same thing, that "Art" is the physical manifestation of "love", then I'd say sure, I agree. But again "love" is not something bounded to a certain form of human activity, it ranges from playing baseball to building rotisseries to painting to hiking. Ron: I think it pertains to a certain way of perception and involvement, a craft of dealing with situational gumption traps. [Ron prev.] ... simply because all human activity has the potential to be artful doesn't necessarily mean that all human activity is artful. [Arlo] No, of course not, and I thought I said as much. Ron: As I see it, potential must be crafted, it is a skill. As I read Plato's Socratic dialogs, I have come to see "love" as Pirsig uses "preference" only the term love suggests "desire." To me, Love seems like a more accurate word to use to describe the pull or drive of evolution or DQ. The Buddists say that desire or preference is the root of suffering but if this is true and the universe is composed of desire then the skill is the mastery of it, the tempering of it. Much like Socrates analogy of the charioteers, as one grows older and practices this art, it becomes easier to temper. It makes for an interesting interpretation of Quality. ________________________________ From: Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:58:04 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Why the quality of the modern world is no good. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
