At 04:39 AM 6/30/2009, you wrote:
> > > >Krimel:
> > > >As for the crack on flattery I can only say I have to flatter my self
> > > > since don't have a peanut gallery to outsource that to.
> > >
> > >Marsha
> > >Though I sometimes disagree with you, I enjoy your posts. They are
> > >intelligent and interesting. And as long as I can occasionally shoot
> > >some seltzer in your direction, I want a front row seat in your
> > >peanut gallery. Give me K-R-I-M-E-L. Yea Krimel!!!
> > >
> > >[Krimel]
> > >OMG, with even just a mental flash of you in a short skirt with
> > > pom-poms, I can die a happy man.
> > >
> > >A special shout out to Dave, without whose assistance, this moment of
> > > bliss would not have been possible.
> > >
> > >More seltzer, please! I think I am going to spontaneously combust.
> > >
> > >Nudge, nudge, wink, wink...
> >
> >Marsha:
> >Leave Dave out of this.
> >
> >Back to my question: I do not understand what you mean by spiritual
> >state of consciousness, please define? Can you define or explain
> >what you are criticizing?
> >
> >[Krimel]
> >A woman who cheers and does not sleep... I am now a happy man in fear of
> >death.
> >
> >States of consciousness are some times thought of as levels of awareness.
> >The only common thread I find in any of the several hazy definitions of
> >consciousness is the notion of awareness. So we can think of sleep,
> >intoxication, meditation, hypnosis, depression, catatonia, arousal etc as
> >states of awareness. Spiritual states of consciousness I would say aim at
> >awareness of some kind of experience beyond the self.
>
>Marsha:
>Maybe it is simply awareness sans concepts. Would you have a
>complaint if it were simply awareness sans patterns? Simply seeing.
>
>[Krimel]
>Yeah sort of but I have ongoing doubts about whether this is even possible
>much less desirable. Even awareness involves some kind of framework or
>appreciation of context. I am suspicious of the concept of awareness
without
>concepts. Isn't even that a concept?
Marsha:
Oh it's possible, but concepts used to describe it are, yes, concepts.
[Krimel]
I see. But the question of desire lingers...
Isn't always so?
Marsha:
Desire for what? The undifferentiated? The projection? Or is the
problem of desire, really a problem of attachment?
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