> > > > >Krimel: > > > > >As for the crack on flattery I can only say I have to flatter my > > > > > self since don't have a peanut gallery to outsource that to. > > > > > > > >Marsha: > > > >Though I sometimes disagree with you, I enjoy your posts. They are > > > >intelligent and interesting. And as long as I can occasionally shoot > > > >some seltzer in your direction, I want a front row seat in your > > > >peanut gallery. Give me K-R-I-M-E-L. Yea Krimel!!! > > > > > > > >[Krimel] > > > >OMG, with even just a mental flash of you in a short skirt with > > > > pom-poms, I can die a happy man. > > > > > > > >A special shout out to Dave, without whose assistance, this moment of > > > > bliss would not have been possible. > > > > > > > >More seltzer, please! I think I am going to spontaneously combust. > > > > > > > >Nudge, nudge, wink, wink... > > > > > >Marsha: > > >Leave Dave out of this. > > > > > >Back to my question: I do not understand what you mean by spiritual > > >state of consciousness, please define? Can you define or explain > > >what you are criticizing? > > > > > >[Krimel] > > >A woman who cheers and does not sleep... I am now a happy man in fear > > > of death. > > > > > >States of consciousness are some times thought of as levels of > > >awareness. > > >The only common thread I find in any of the several hazy definitions of > > >consciousness is the notion of awareness. So we can think of sleep, > > >intoxication, meditation, hypnosis, depression, catatonia, arousal etc > > > as states of awareness. Spiritual states of consciousness I would say > > > aim at awareness of some kind of experience beyond the self. > > > >Marsha: > >Maybe it is simply awareness sans concepts. Would you have a > >complaint if it were simply awareness sans patterns? Simply seeing. > > > >[Krimel] > >Yeah sort of but I have ongoing doubts about whether this is even > > possible much less desirable. Even awareness involves some kind of > > framework or appreciation of context. I am suspicious of the concept of > > awareness without concepts. Isn't even that a concept? > >Marsha: >Oh it's possible, but concepts used to describe it are, yes, concepts. > >[Krimel] >I see. But the question of desire lingers... > >Isn't always so?
Marsha: Desire for what? The undifferentiated? The projection? Or is the problem of desire, really a problem of attachment? [Krimel] Between the herb and the berry I fear, at this point, (6 a.m.) there is little left of desire and all of the problems seem a bit hazy. Do I want to achieve a state of full awareness? I mean if I am me, playing the Lila Game, shouldn't there be a spoiler alert? It is a pretty cheesy game if you can figure it out this far before the end... Oh crap! Perhaps the end is nearer than I thought.... And, if you have figured it out, what's the point in playing? If there is some essence of me that passes to another life without my memories or the accumulation of "these" experiences, what's the point and who gives a crap? Not "me"!!!! ...whatever the fuck that is. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
