Among other things, John said to Bo: I don't see at all how "just concepts" can get you in a tizzy. Of course it's all concepts. It's all "just an analogy". The question still remains, how GOOD is the analogy. How much Quality does your conceptualization contain? It seems to me that what you are railing against is the way Pirsig refuses to get dogmatic enough to claim he has captured Quality in a perfect conceptualization. ... The statification of Quality = the crucifixion of Quality
dmb says: Right. In his first book Pirsig repeatedly says that Quality cannot be defined and in his second book he carefully explains WHY it can't be defined. The idea that there is a discrepancy between reality (Quality) and concepts is consistent throughout both books. And yet Bo imagines that this is some kind of relapse. If you ask me, this complaint makes no sense. John said to Bo: What you are referring to is a little something me and my good friend W James like to call, "the error of conferring existential status upon the products of reflection." Lucky for you I have a supply of quotes handy this morning! Here's one redeemed by me from languishing in a Krimel post: "the philosophical 'problem' of trying to get them together (subject and object, man and world, self and not self) is artificial. On the basis of fact, it needs to be replaced by consideration of the conditions under which they occur as DISTINCTIONS, and of the special uses served by the distinctions". dmb says: Just for the record, those quotes come from John Stuhr, who was talking about radical empiricism in Dewey's thought, and the second one is Dewey himself, as quoted by John Stuhr. Stuhr is the editor of an anthology called "Pragmatism and Classical American Philosophy". Please use them as often as you like, unless you use them against me in which case this one time is all you get. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
