[Krimel] Scientists do not discount "point of view" they merely attempt to make it insignificant
Ron: And THAT is a problem, a huge one. For point of view is all we ever have. to reduce it to insignificance is buring our head in the sand in preference of a type certainty. When the value of point of view is realized for what it is, primary, it throws out a kind of universal certainty, one we have grown accustomed to as a security blanket, reducing certainty to a consensus of educated guesses, verifyable in their context. [Krimel] I think you are missing my point here. I we wanted to know if people prefer Pepsi to Coke for example many things might influence that preference. Age, sex, height, weight etc. In order to see what people in general think we would randomly assign people to test groups. The point of random assignment is not to say that these other factors aren't important or don't play a roll but only that whatever role they do play is equalized across groups. It is not so much that they are insignificance but that their significance is controlled. We might decide that 0ne or more of these factors IS significant and redesign a test to see. When we submit our findings on a particular matter to public scrutiny we invite others to bring their points of view into play. Concepts stand and fall on how this works out. [Ron:] Which is the best we can hope for. Therefore it would be imperitive as a scientist to understand this and pursue a beginners mind in relation to it. Myticism questions certainty, it reduces what we think we know to a collection of assumptions about experience. I would think every "good" scientist would recognize the value of understanding this. [Krimel] Where individual scientists seek inspiration is not the concern of science. What is of concern is how they justify their insights. The sources of insight are various. Scientists come from all races, cultures and religions. What unites them is their agreement on methodology and process. Consider that John Nash insisted that what made recovery from paranoia difficult was that his delusions seemed to him to arise from the same source as his mathematical insights. His mathematics was easily verifiable by other mathematicians. The voices in his head and the patterns he saw from the print media that suggested alien activity was not. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
