Hi Platt You said (to me)
> To put it simply as I understand it: The terms static and Dynamic > Quality are intellectual, but that to which DQ refers to is not. Thus, > the reality pointed to by the MOQ cannot be defined, but you know it > anyway. Thanks for the interest in this issue which is the heart of the matter (as I say in to-day's post to DMB) and I hope you forgive my professoral tone. The terms "static", "dynamic" and "quality" are neither intellectual or anti-intellectual, they are words of the English language (all languages have the same terms I guess, but that doesn't matter) The term "intellectual" means the ability of distinguishing between what's objective from what's subjective (as my dictionary says) which is also the correct definition of the 4th. level's value - not IDEAS or THOUGHTS as most of the discussion seem to think. Now, the notion of language as a subjective reflection of objective phenomena is a form of intellect's S/O-repertoire and it screws the MOQ up to say that DQ is ineffable because it is something words refer to - a concept. This reality/concept split is intellect's value and if this is made into a variant of the DQ/SQ - as DMB says - it means that MOQ becomes a subsidiary of SOM. DQ's first static fallout is the inorganic level and words, concepts ..etc. does not come into play until the social level and language, but even here the reality/concept discrepancy is not recognized. It came to be with the intellectual level - with SOM. Finally, the MOQ postulates a DQ/SQ split and says that the dynamic part is indefinable. What's wrong with that? Is it "defined" just by saying so in words? So why had Pirsig to postulate a Quality/Concept meta-metaphysics on top of that? Long ago we all agreed on this only leading to an infinite regress because this meta-metaphysics is also expressed in words and needs another meta-meta-meta ....and so on ad infinity. Belated congratulations with the 4th of July! Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
