dmb said: The hippie rebellion against Victorian social level morality wasn't just a rebellion against sexual repression, although that was certainly part of it. They were also rebelling against social level political attitudes. The Klan, the Bearchers and McCarthyites, the cold-warriors and bible thumpers, the bigots and misogynists. These are the types that like to draw attention to the sex, drugs and rock rather than the equal rights marches and anti-war protests. The hippies were among those most likely to oppose Imperialism abroad and censorship at home, to oppose conformity, exploitation, poverty, ignorance, and hate. That's the sort of thing that made it moral, SOCIALLY speaking. INTELLECTUALLY speaking, they more or less felt like John Sutherland did about technology and technological culture. And I suppose that same negative attitude also applies to industrial, institutional and commercial architecture, to our factory-like educational system and scientific materialism in general. I think the MOQ supplies the concepts and vocabulary to get at the source of the feelings they had about this things, to get at why they felt so stuffy and rigid and empty.
Platt replied: The half-cocked notion hyped by DMB and Arlo that the Marxist-inspired hippie, trippy, flower children revolution was solely against Victorian social values has been corrected. dmb says: As anyone can clearly see, my original post did not say the hippies were "solely against Victorian social values". Platt is pretending to correct an error that never existed. Platt before: The hippie revolution was a challenge to the defective intellectual level, not the social level. ... I'll give credit to DMB for admitting and demonstrating with quotes that the hippie revolution was as much against intellectuals as it was against social values... dmb says: It hardly makes sense to congratulate me for "admitting" what was always my point anyway. Further, in order to disagree with a claim I never made, Platt had to ignore a whole series of quotes from Lila as well as the actually claims I made about them. Further, Platt had to incoherently alter his own counter claims. At first he insisted that the hippie revolution did not "challenge ..the social level" and then later gave me credit for "admitting" that they challenged both. Platt's comments in this thread don't really merit a response. To say they're incoherent would be too generous. With contributions like this, it's no wonder that there is less progress around here than there might be. I think this forum would be much better off if post's like Platt's did not exist. I wish there was a way to make stupidity against the rules, to ban those who consistently contribute nothing of worth. How many hours have been wasted on this kind of idiotic bullshit? I don't see how to ban this kind of nonsense without causing more harm than good. So all I can do is complain about it and hope others smell it too. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
