cheers marsha, in any case i was def a bit hard on rorty...the spirit is okay, its just, aesthetically, he hurts my brain. gav ironfist
--- On Fri, 7/8/09, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Ironistic Metaphysics > To: [email protected] > Received: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 10:04 AM > > > Maybe the act of a true sophist... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of gav > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Ironistic Metaphysics > > > hiya, > > > Hi all, > > > > What is metaphysics? Does everyone have a metaphysics? > Or > > can people get by without being metaphysicians? > > > > Rorty: > > "I shall define an "ironist" as someone who fulfills > three > > conditions: (1) She has radical and continuing doubts > about > > the final vocabulary she currently uses, because she > has > > been impressed by other vocabularies, vocabularies > taken as > > final by people or books she has encountered; > > gav: i thought we were speaking english. seems i was > mistaken > > > (2) she > > realizes that argument phrased in her present > vocabulary can > > neither underwrite nor dissolve these doubts; > > so she doubts? > > > (3) insofar as > > she philosophizes about her situation, she does not > think > > that her vocabulary is closer to reality than others, > that > > it is in touch with a power not herself. Ironists who > are > > inclined to philosophize see the choice between > vocabularies > > as made neither within a neutral and universal > > metavocabulary nor by an attempt to fight one's way > past > > appearances to the real, but simply by playing the new > off > > against the old." > > wtf? jesus. looks like ironist metaphysicists are those > that lose themselves > in self-referential (meta-)drivel. > > does he mean ironic? which would actually get closer to the > heart of the > matter...ie the truth, the nebulous, dynamic, > all-encompassing truth loves > irony, it is a creature of paradox...hence tetralemmic > shenanigans. > > it's not the vocab, its how you use it; the hermetically > sealed world of > bullshit jargon makes 'philosophers' look like dickheads as > far as i can > tell. shakespeare didn't need meta-vocabs, neither did > pirsig, the measure > of thought is its comprehensibility, the measure of a > thinker is his ability > to render his conception in analogues that are as generally > comprehensible > as possible. > > in the end mytho-poetry is the higher logic, the logic > beyong the literal, > the logic that reconciles opposites, that moves past the > wild oscillations > of the relative. this is the wisdom of the heart - 'when > the heart rules the > mind the living is divine' (tim rogers). > > it is only in the heart that we know certainty, know the > tao: the heartmind > as the chinese say....don't we all know this already? > > quality is aesthetically apprehended. it has to be lived, > incorporated, > felt....analysis, alone, separates, it hinders this > integration when left > unchecked. > > anyway > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > Find local businesses and services in your area with > Yahoo!7 Local. > Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > __________________________________________________________________________________ Find local businesses and services in your area with Yahoo!7 Local. Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
