Bo, This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. How you mis interpret. If you would have read this quote more carefully, "In physics, the Lorentz transformation precisely describes how, according to the theory of special relativity, two observers' varying measurements of space and time can be converted into each other's frame of reference ....." You will see that it is a calculation which refers specifically to special relativity, unless you do not understand that special relativity states that time and space are RELATIVE to the observer. The lorentz transformation deals with a way in which to calculate between two observers in a time-space contineum in which as Ian stated is wrought with holes.
Newtonian physics states that time and space are absolute and is not relative to the observer. the lorentz transformation does not apply in any way nor is it used or developed for the purpose of calculating and converting from Newtonian to special relativity. It specifically applied to special relativity and how two observers may share the same perception of the passing of time and space mathematically. -Ron ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:05:00 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Ironistic Metaphysics Ian and Ron 14 Aug. Ian : > Bo, you sir, are the master of misinformation and a hack. Simply > muck-spreading a meme. Thanks a lot, but you bark up the wrong tree. I haven't said a thing about Relativity's weirdness, just that the Lorentz equations are used for switching between Newton physics and Relativity and this is a fact regardless of what Ron says. He quoted Wiki himself: "In physics, the Lorentz transformation precisely describes how, according to the theory of special relativity, two observers' varying measurements of space and time can be converted into each other's frame of reference ....." and it says exactly that even "precisely". Today's physicists do this without stopping to think about relativistic weirdness seen from Newtonian grounds and vice versa, but when conditions are extreme only the former calculations work, elsewhere the Newtonian ditto does the job. It brings space crafts to their destinies, but when it comes to black holes and such ... alas. There is something similar regarding Quantum Physics and Newton's, but I'm a bit "rusty" here. The assertion that the SOL is a "Lorentz transformation" between SOM and MOQ (between MOQ and its intellectual level) is valid. Pirsig's (inorg.+ bio.=objects ..etc.) is a formula to link SOM and the MOQ, but it fails on several points ... and when Pirsig got more and more problems with this he just skipped SOM. But that's impossible, SOM or intellect is our static abode, only when things gets "extreme" we must apply the MOQ and then some transformation procedure is necessary. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
