-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of david buchanan Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] The percolating SOL
Marsah said: I would never claim to be able to think backwards, so I have no speculation about a primary cause. But my answer to Ham, ' The previous value event.' was based on my experience of meditation. Would that be goofy, Dave? dmb says: It was Ham's question that I found goofy and fake. But since you're asking, I think your answer to that goofy question was contradicted by the Pirsig quote you posted later. Value or Quality is the first thing we know and I see no reason to posit anything prior to the first thing we know. Besides, to say that the previous value comes before value isn't really an answer at all. It just repeats the question or rather begs for a repetition of the same question. What is the cause of value? What is the cause of the previous value? Or the one before that or the one before that, etc.. Like time and space and all those other Kantian intuitions, causality is deduced from experience. We can see that one event repeatedly follows another but we never see causality. Pirsig goes beyond all this but... Marsha: Ham asked about cause, I did not posit cause and effect, I did not say one thought caused the next, I just described my experience during meditation. You and Ham brought up cause. In meditation, I have a mental event(experience), followed by another mental event(experience), followed by another mental event(experience). Each mental event(experience) arises, exists, and disappears. I have never experienced having two mental events(experiences) at the same time so maybe the disappearance of one allow the next, I don't know. I was describing my experience during meditation, _my experience during meditation, Dave_. Doesn't my experience count? I thought for a Radical Empiricist experience counts? I have had the experience of seeing without concepts(experiences) too, at least for a few minutes. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
