Andre, I been thinking about this. There is a part of me that wants to describe these sips of unpatterned quality. But I hesitate maybe for much the same reason as presented in your last post. Every individual will probably have different experiences based on some complex patterned context. This must is process too; do I want to set it up as something static? No. I might say that for a couple of months I sometimes felt like my consciousness was squinting. Doesn't that sound dumb? And one day there it was? Sounds even dumber!!! A high quality experience!!!
Or with Bo, I argued against him constantly. Then one day I was looking for words to explain an idea and I just flipped. Intellectualizing clearly became one big subject/object, mind-twisting trap. I struggled with it for a while, but it was too obvious to deny. But what I am describing in just the mental description of experience, and sooo not the experience, and description sooo doesn't matter. There's Krimel again, "AwGee..." Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andre Broersen Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty Marsha to Andre: The minute I start to explain it, I'm intellectualizing it, separating the me that is explaining it from the explanation of what _it_ is like. It was this realization that jolted me into agreeing with Bo. There is the MoQ we intellectualize. There is the MoQ that represents 'Quality (unpatterned and patterned(all spovs)) experience', which I agree with Bo should be a step above the Intellectual S/O Level. The 'Quality experience' is still a metaphor. Every sentence I add will diminish the value, so I'll end it here. Andre: Agree with you Marsha, you need say no more. Andre: On second thoughts Marsha, what good is a quality event (high or low) if, as seems to be argued here on this discuss, you cannot scream it from the rooftops. That, by putting it into words it detracts from the experience. Yes, I am mindfull of the 'embedded in language' stuff but if we start to exaggerate its detraction then we all need to shut up. If you experience a high quality event then scream your delight. If you experience a low quality event the scream your disgust. But, I can't tell you what to do anyway so...do what you like..or rather...nothing...or I don't care what you do...or....oh fuck this! In kindness Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
