wise words john, ones that come in handy about now, I have learned much from you also, and hearding cats.....boy, thats an accurate metaphor.
being tall, the safety bar on the roller coaster does rattle the ole apple bag.. thanks ----- Original Message ---- From: John Carl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:14:32 AM Subject: Re: [MD] concerning SOL?? Ron, I haven't had a chance to pop in and say I have learned a lot from you in the past few weeks. Your dialogue with Bo has helped me think through much. Ian sez Marsha "gets it" best, but of all those who get it, I'd nominate you as the one who gets it best. I do not discuss MoQ here because I'm a prisoner or felt like one, but > growing up sort of isolated from society, and within the culture > of a bastardized modern/farmer/native amalgom, I have always > felt outside, distinct and seperate from popular society which > always seemed fake, contrived and plastic, out of touch with reality > and the land. That is the way I feel also. And I bet most people who are committed to MD. The question then is how much value is to found in a group of anarchistic introverts? Its like trying to herd cats, with or without a cattle prod, a tricky task. But what option do we have? "Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life." Sometimes you just got no choice. > It is only when I finally grasped what Pirsig meant, and everything > clicked, that I understood, that I was back to where I was before, > not with different eyes, but with an understanding of why I value > the way I do. Why I am different and don't fit in.Why others > do not value things the way I do. > > I think I have an answer to Ians question of what changed with me. > I reached an understanding, all Pirsigs work clicked into place > and it all functioned and made sense without any contradictions > and I wanted to share this understanding and I am unable to. > All I've drawn is ridicule and attack, leaving me frustrated. > The roller coaster rises, the roller coaster falls Sometime the roller coaster safety bar bangs into your balls. Sometimes the circle speed you up, sometimes it slows you down. Doesn't really matter, it just keeps on coming 'round. -- John Carl My daily activities are not unusual, I'm just naturally in harmony with them. Grasping nothing, discarding nothing, In every place there's no hindrance and no conflict. Who assigns the ranks of vermilion and purple? (Me? Ian? Ant? RMP?) The hills' and mountains' last speck of dust is extinguished. (faith to cast down mountains) My supernatural power and marvelous activity? Drawing water and carrying firewood. -- Layman Pang Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
