Marsha 15 Sep you wrote:
> I am happy to state I cannot possibly support your SOL thesis if it > considers the Buddhist point-of-view irrelevant. But as before I do > agree with you on the three points: 1.) that the Intellectual Level > is a subject/object level. 2.) that the MoQ is better represented by > a Quality(static(patterned experience)/Dynamic(unpatterned > experience)) Level above the Intellectual Level, and 3.) that the > Intellectual Level was birthed at the time of Plato/Aristotle&Company > with the rational/irrational split. (Although I am becoming > increasingly convinced that the rational/irrational split was a > trumped up fallacy.) Your agreements are much appreciated and covers the SOL completely. Regarding my "saving the MOQ from Zen" I've tried various ways of conveying my approach and this is my best entry. Applying the MOQ's level matrix, the concept "religion" as something mystic that ignores reason emerged after reason (SOM or the intellectual level). While the social level was leading edge people lived in (what intellect calls) a magical reality, everything was mystical and then nothing was mystical (the fish knows no water because it's totally immersed in it) Now I don my seven leagues boots. Intellect emerged in Greece (in the Western hemisphere) and its rationality was kind of adapted by the Romans who - even if they had gods - developed many intellect-based institution and I think it was around this time that the term "religion" was coined, mainly about the monotheism myth in the Roman province Judea. When intellect returned in force after the Middle Ages the secular/religious distinction was constantly more deep, i.e. religion became something subjective, private and - um - "mystic". The MOQ however changes everything by superimposing its DQ/SQ over it all thereby relegating the religious/secular distinction to its intellectual level with no "jurisdiction" outside it and is why I am reluctant to associate the MOQ with Zen which is associated with "religion" and/or "mysticism" in the Western hemisphere and then MOQ is caught in the S/O it is supposed to be an escape from. . But I may be wrong as Platt says. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
