Apropos Kerouac Quote: Spengler did not comprehend Tao; it was in his nature not to.
from Some of the Dharma On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:00 PM, markhsmit <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Marsha, > I think Bo has an attitude about Eastern thought. > It won't do any good to try to convince him otherwise. > > I'm glad to see that others have a few more dimensions > to their travels through the high country. > > Cheers, > Willblake2 > > On Sep 22, 2009, at 3:11:19 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] The MOQ/Zen relationship. > Date: September 22, 2009 3:11:19 AM PDT > To: [email protected] > > Bo, > > It seems to me the Buddhist use intellect and meditation of penetrate the > illusionary nature of self (subject) and phenomenon (objects). That is > moving beyond a subject/object world-view. > > > Marsha > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MarshaV > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] The MOQ/Zen relationship. > > > Greetings Bo, > > So the MoQ is a metaphysics appropriate for the Western experience only? Is > that what you are stating? > > > Marsha > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] The MOQ/Zen relationship. > > Marsha and Group > > 21 Sep. you wrote: > > > I certainly understand you wanting to keep religion separate, and it > > does seem the mystic experience is often linked to religious > > traditions, but it doesn't have to be so. I've read that even the > > Dalai Lama, in his efforts to bring together East and West, has warned > > to be attentive to what is insight/wisdom and what is cultural > > tradition, which are often entangled. The Buddhist traditions are > > beneficial because they are not theistic, and their purpose is to > > bring enlightenment (however that word may be understood or > > misunderstood) to benefit all. > > I started my post by saying that religion as something defying reason > only occurred after "reason" i.e. the intellectual level. And I'm afraid > this your introducing Dalai Lama brings MOQ into the murky Buddhist > waters I want to "save it from" - sorry for being so implacable. He > speaks about "insight-wisdom versus cultural tradition, and "insight- > wisdom" may match "what defies reason" but "cultural tradition" in > Tibet is not our Western REASON. > > Tibetan cultural tradition was/is all about achieving the mystical > experience while Western Reason is all about preventing such which > is dismissed as hysteria, mental illness .. etc. > > Back to the MOQ. Before Reason - i.e. intellect - the social reality > ruled and there was no S/O (mystic/reason) distinction (why it was > regarded as Quality itself by Pirsig) Yet, the MOQ is not a return to the > pre S/O (social reality) it's a reunion of Subject/Object beyond > intellect. > So, I do not particularly want to involve Orientalism because this may - > as Pirsig and this discussion has touched on - be a culture that has > gone through the intellectual stage, but not developed it into a SOM, > before going on to a Quality-like stage.This creates OUR East/West > chasm. Dalai Lama may understand the West, but we only sees > "mysticism" over there. > > Yours profoundly > > Bodvar > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
