By definition, to conceptualize something requires symbols. But, I think your question was rhetorical, Platt.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Sep 24, 2009 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty On 24 Sep 2009 at 18:14, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Platt] > Deos that mean that there will come a time when nothing exists? > > [Arlo] > Nothing exists? Another splendid linguistic paradox! Who knows, maybe > something will exist, maybe not. XKCD has a relevant comic about > this... (http://xkcd.com/638/)... Will there come a time when human > perception will no longer be around? I'd say that's probable. I doubt > our species will survive our sun going all red giant on us... > Maybe... but doubtful... Seems you believe existence depends on human perception, i.e., the moon is not there when nobody looks. Shades of 18th century Bishop Berkeley. > [Platt] > So stability is permanent? > > [Arlo] > Ah, recursion. Its fascinating... This is simply a restatement of the > Quined.... ""Nothing stays the same" stays the same".... Or ""There > are no facts" is a fact"... Shouldn't we be past this by now? I find it hard to get past profound incoherence. > [Platt] > Seems the drift to nonexistence is permanent. > > [Arlo] > Another restatement of "It's a fact there are no facts". The moment > you try to conceptualize in symbols this stuff, you bring the paradox > of recursion. I don't know what more I can say that this... Its not > anything new and exciting... ask Zeno... You are trying to make the > set contain itself. Can't be done without some paradox creeping in > somewhere... Would a real Zen Master just say "mu" to this? Perhaps... Is it possible to conceptualize in something other than symbols? > [Platt] > Seems you assume time is permanent.. > > [Arlo] > Not in a million years (pun intended). Between us another permanent disagreement. (Pun intended) Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
