On 25 Sep 2009 at 23:23, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote: > [Platt] > Yes, but his existence doesn't depend on my perception or conception of him. > There's a difference in meaning between the phrases "I'm thinking of UTOE the > cat" and "UTOE the cat." The words are not the thing. > > [Arlo] > "UTOE the cat" is YOUR perceptual awareness of particular patterns you > experience. You seem to be echoing a very strong S/O understanding here, > Platt. > > [Platt] > There's the reality of analogies (the words broken leg) and the reality of > things (pain). Or, menu/food, pointing finger/moon. Thus, the assertion, "All > is analogy" is only half right. > > [Arlo] > Well, when Pirsig said this, he was obviously referring to conceptualizations > of experience. So yes, there is "direct, pre-intellectual, pre-conceptual, > mystical awareness" and then the "analogies" of symbolic representae of this > experience. > > [Platt] > Death is the end of life, what I would call First-Order Reality. > > [Arlo] > Disagree, Platt. "Death" is an analogy we use to understand the absence of > patterns. Many cultural analogies saw this not as an "end", but as a > "transition". Your statement "is the end of life" is one, particular analogy > "man" has come up with to understand this absence. > > [Platt] > And it's permanent even when defined as absence. > > [Arlo] > There's that "mathematical description of randomness" again. As an "absence" > it > does not have attributes. Its division by zero. Its like asking "how bright is > absolute darkness?" Since darkness is the "absence of light", trying to apply > "brightness" to it is nonsensical. > > [Platt] > Length is permanent in a three-dimensional world as is height and depth. > > [Arlo] > They are "stable", it would seem to our awareness, but they are not permanent. > They are relative. And you seem to here be echoing an incredibly strong S/O > position. > > [Platt] > It's in the mail. > > [Arlo] > That's what they all say...
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