[Platt] I take it then that your believe existence depends on human perception.
[Arlo] What we perceive to be "existence" depends on our "perception". [Platt] I live in a reality where if Penn State player breaks a leg in a football game, it's reality, not an analogy. [Arlo] Never go to the theatre, Platt... and never wish an actor/actress to do well... In any case, like any symbolic system, "break a leg" is an analogy for the "experience", albeit in in this case not a very profound one. [Platt] My reality is also one where death is permanent and real. [Arlo] "Death" is an absence, it is the "absence of a thing". This is why saying "death is permanent" is akin to a mathematical description of randomness. Anyway, I live in a world where (as profoundly described by Pirsig) "Chris got his ticket after all"... [Platt] Your answer then is a permanent, "No." [Arlo] A stable "no". But, again, "conceptualization" is, by definition, the encoding of "experience" into "symbols" (be the sounds, shapes, words, colors, movements, etc.) This is, again, you playing silly linguistic games. Like saying, "is red a color? yes? so red is permanently a color." it is so long as its defined as such.... Again, any statement anyone can make can be looped onto itself. Like Godel showed us, the more complex and descriptive the statement, the greater the paradox from the resulting recursion. You can go with statement with very little explanatory power, that won't give you much recursion, or you can accept statements of great explanatory power and laugh at the inevitable recursive paradoxes (and drink tea with the Zen Masters and postmodern thinkers, such as Pirsig). [Platt] So I take it you think time began with the first human and will end with the last? Is that your position? [Arlo] Just like the "law of gravity", probably. "... the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one." (Einstein) By the way, I wouldn't say "time began with the first human", I'd say "the concept of "time" drawn from human perception began when such a perception among humans attained value." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
