On 24 Sep 2009 at 20:09, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Platt] > Seems you believe existence depends on human perception, i.e., the > moon is not there when nobody looks. Shades of 18th century Bishop Berkeley. > > [Arlo] > I have no idea how you got this from what I said. I said simply, > "human perception will not be around forever". How on earth can I, a > human, perceive what will or will not be when there is no human perception?
I take it then that your believe existence depends on human perception. > [Platt] > I find it hard to get past profound incoherence. > > [Arlo] > Yeah, Pirsig can seem this way for some. "All this is just an > analogy"... very "profound" indeed, "incoherent"? Not so much for me... "Everything is an analogy" is incoherent for me when I'm told I have cancer or some other life-threatening disease. I live in a reality where if Penn State player breaks a leg in a football game, it's reality, not an analogy. My reality is also one where death is permanent and real. But, to each his own. > [Platt] > Is it possible to conceptualize in something other than symbols? > > [Arlo] > That's redundant. Conceptualization is the manipulation/creation of symbols. Your answer then is a permanent, "No." > [Platt] > Between us another permanent disagreement. (Pun intended) > > [Arlo] > So you believe time IS permanent? I'm reminded of a passage from that > profoundly incoherent author's book, ZMM, about thinking about how > "the law of gravity" existed before the cosmos, before anything, just > floating there, with nothing to apply itself to because there was > nothing... just "time", sitting there all by its lonesome... So I take it you think time began with the first human and will end with the last? Is that your position? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
