Oh you, I speak honestly and from the bottom of my heart, and you disappear and then reappear to say 'gotcha'. Weenie!
Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self gotcha. ----- Mensagem de [email protected] --------- Data: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:50:14 -0400 De: MarshaV <[email protected]> Endereço para Resposta (Reply-To): [email protected] Assunto: Re: [MD] ego vs self Para: [email protected] > > Fernando, > > Another thought more related to this thread. Mr. Pirsig wrote LILA using > many different voices. I appreciate the MoQ and enjoy the definitions, > explanations and arguments made on its behalf. I think Dynamic Quality and > static patterns of value (unpatterned experience and patterned experience) > represent the best world-view available to the West, but it was Lila's voice > with which I most identified. I still think the best understanding of > 'reality' is found in Lila's words: "...I'm whatever your questions turn me > into. You don't see that. It's your questions that make me who I am. If you > think I'm an angel then that's what I am. If you think I'm a whore then > that's what I am. I'm whatever you think. And if you change your mind about > me then I change too. So whatever Richard tells you, it's true. There's no > way he can lie about me.": reality is whatever you think it is, there's no > way you can lie about it, and if you change your understanding of reality, > then reality changes too. > > There is also Lila's statement that dance is the key to life. > > > Marsha > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self > > Hallo, Marsha! > > Having a feminine voice in the group is an interesting addition, i think. > Why > do you think the great scholars of mankind, the prophets, the poets > (with a few > exceptions), the sages and leaders of mankind have always been male? > There´s a > lot we can learn with females but they are often put behind the scenes... > Why > would that be? Is woman evil, does she lead to confusion has she been less > imposing throughout time? > > Yours truly, > Fernando. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Mensagem de [email protected] --------- > Data: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:57:10 -0400 > De: MarshaV <[email protected]> > Endereço para Resposta (Reply-To): [email protected] > Assunto: Re: [MD] ego vs self > Para: [email protected] > > >> >> >> John, >> >> Fine, if this is what you think, because reality is whatever you think it > to >> be (ease to label, hard to define). >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Carl >> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:48 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self >> >> The way I look at it Marsha, is this: "What I think" is one thing >> "Reality" is another. That's just your basic rule of being. But the > line >> between the two is flexible and a creative and conscious choice. THAT is >> the MoQ insight into the situation. >> >> The outline of my self is the inline of the world and the creative act of >> drawing the line is a dynamic process. >> >> which doesn't permit any sort of hard and fast line in the sand, the kind >> that reductionist westerners crave. >> >> oh well >> >> Quality and me - easy to label, hard to define. >> >> ------------- >> >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> John, >>> >>> If this is what you think, fine, because reality is whatever you think it >>> to >>> be. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> ------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Carl >>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:09 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self >>> >>> Marsha, >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > You can choose to be a finite self, but for how long? >>> >>> >>> >>> "how long" is a question about the future. Choice doesn't exist in the >>> future; Choice exists in the moment. >>> >>> >>> >>> > How long before you >>> > stop choosing, and the patterns take over without your conscious >>> awareness. >>> > Does your finite self change? If yes, isn't that a contradiction? >>> >>> >>> >>> The boundaries of my finitude change with my choice of focus, my finitude >>> is >>> bounded by this focus. In the moment of choice, there are no >>> contradictions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > The MoQ >>> > states that there is static patterns of value and Dynamic Quality, > where >>> > does your _finite_ self fit into that framework? Hmmmm? >>> >>> >>> >>> Ummm... lower left corner? Dead Center? It's not really up to me. I'll >>> let others decide. 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