I wonder if ambiguity in the term "gotcha" is an issue in this co-communication. There are two possible interpretations that I perceive. The first that springs to mind is gotcha as in "count coup" - I just scored a point for my side - Gotcha! The other interpretation is "I got you" as in I'm in harmony with your meaning and communication has been received. An "ACK" in TCP/IP terms. a GOOD thing.
So the question is which meaning was meant in Fernando's short message? And the corollary is "who's the weenie now?" Gotcha! On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:39 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh you, > > I speak honestly and from the bottom of my heart, and you disappear and > then > reappear to say 'gotcha'. Weenie! > > > Marsha > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self > > gotcha. > > > ----- Mensagem de [email protected] --------- > Data: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:50:14 -0400 > De: MarshaV <[email protected]> > Endereço para Resposta (Reply-To): [email protected] > Assunto: Re: [MD] ego vs self > Para: [email protected] > > > > > > Fernando, > > > > Another thought more related to this thread. Mr. Pirsig wrote LILA using > > many different voices. I appreciate the MoQ and enjoy the definitions, > > explanations and arguments made on its behalf. I think Dynamic Quality > and > > static patterns of value (unpatterned experience and patterned > experience) > > represent the best world-view available to the West, but it was Lila's > voice > > with which I most identified. I still think the best understanding of > > 'reality' is found in Lila's words: "...I'm whatever your questions turn > me > > into. You don't see that. It's your questions that make me who I am. If > you > > think I'm an angel then that's what I am. If you think I'm a whore then > > that's what I am. I'm whatever you think. And if you change your mind > about > > me then I change too. So whatever Richard tells you, it's true. There's > no > > way he can lie about me.": reality is whatever you think it is, there's > no > > way you can lie about it, and if you change your understanding of > reality, > > then reality changes too. > > > > There is also Lila's statement that dance is the key to life. > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:59 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self > > > > Hallo, Marsha! > > > > Having a feminine voice in the group is an interesting addition, i think. > > Why > > do you think the great scholars of mankind, the prophets, the poets > > (with a few > > exceptions), the sages and leaders of mankind have always been male? > > There´s a > > lot we can learn with females but they are often put behind the scenes... > > Why > > would that be? Is woman evil, does she lead to confusion has she been > less > > imposing throughout time? > > > > Yours truly, > > Fernando. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Mensagem de [email protected] --------- > > Data: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:57:10 -0400 > > De: MarshaV <[email protected]> > > Endereço para Resposta (Reply-To): [email protected] > > Assunto: Re: [MD] ego vs self > > Para: [email protected] > > > > > >> > >> > >> John, > >> > >> Fine, if this is what you think, because reality is whatever you think > it > > to > >> be (ease to label, hard to define). > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Carl > >> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:48 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self > >> > >> The way I look at it Marsha, is this: "What I think" is one thing > >> "Reality" is another. That's just your basic rule of being. But the > > line > >> between the two is flexible and a creative and conscious choice. THAT > is > >> the MoQ insight into the situation. > >> > >> The outline of my self is the inline of the world and the creative act > of > >> drawing the line is a dynamic process. > >> > >> which doesn't permit any sort of hard and fast line in the sand, the > kind > >> that reductionist westerners crave. > >> > >> oh well > >> > >> Quality and me - easy to label, hard to define. > >> > >> ------------- > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> John, > >>> > >>> If this is what you think, fine, because reality is whatever you think > it > >>> to > >>> be. > >>> > >>> > >>> Marsha > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Carl > >>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:09 PM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self > >>> > >>> Marsha, > >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > > >>> > You can choose to be a finite self, but for how long? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "how long" is a question about the future. Choice doesn't exist in the > >>> future; Choice exists in the moment. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > How long before you > >>> > stop choosing, and the patterns take over without your conscious > >>> awareness. > >>> > Does your finite self change? If yes, isn't that a contradiction? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The boundaries of my finitude change with my choice of focus, my > finitude > >>> is > >>> bounded by this focus. In the moment of choice, there are no > >>> contradictions. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The MoQ > >>> > states that there is static patterns of value and Dynamic Quality, > > where > >>> > does your _finite_ self fit into that framework? Hmmmm? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ummm... lower left corner? Dead Center? It's not really up to me. > I'll > >>> let others decide. 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