[Andre]
Funny this. See the resemblences?
[Arlo]
Sadly, yes. Platt's been unable to wrap his head around this for
quite sometime, it seems. He continues to be trapped in a
reductionist vision, needing that "first pattern" or "first
something" or whatever. Even when Pirsig is quite clear that ALL
patterns are responses to Quality, he still "needs" that first
pattern that somehow was NOT a response to Quality.
Now he's trapped in a "when", which is nonsensical.
Since Pirsig says clearly "Experience is the starting point", Platt's
question "When did the starting point begin?" is asking "When did
experience begin?".
Since Quality=Experience, he is also in effect asking "When did
Quality begin?".
He is rooting for that first initial "act" of his Grand Designer
Qualigod. And this is why he spins his wheels and just can't seem to
understand.
"Since experience is the starting point, it doesn't arise from a
lower level of no experience." (Pirsig)
[Platt]
If experience is the starting point, time is presumed
[Arlo]
No. "Time" is a perceptual pattern derived from the experience of
sufficiently complex patterns of life. Atoms do not experience "time".
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