Platt to Andre: If experience is the starting point, time is presumed. So it begs the question. "When did the starting point begin?" I don't know of any answer given by Pirsig. So I'd be interested in yours.
Andre: Reality (Quality) is experience. Point zero, time zero. The moment of zero containing the universe. Time is superfluous. Please Platt, remember that Phaedrus compared Quality with the Tao...the Way, the Buddhist emptiness. We are talking about existence (patterned) and non- existence (unpatterned). At the cutting edge of this moment there is: not this-not that... but an emptiness that is full. I think that to try to understand Mr.Pirsig and his MoQ fully you must experience the nothing. Totally nothing. Absolutely nothing. It is vital to keep all concepts out of the DQ. If you insist you are following a different path from the MoQ..which is fine but then do not use the MoQ to justify your path...you are on your own. Which is fine. Zennies would say that , that is the way to go...well go...but do not abuse the MoQ in the process. Kind regards Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
