Ron, My analogy is that the DQ/sq dichotomy is analogous to up/down of gravity.
Now, is gravity "defined"? No, it's not. We don't really understand gravity, when it comes right down to it. Where is this force? What is it made of and how does it work? Nobody knows. All we know is how it behaves. Quality, likewise, is undefinable, yet nevertheless demonstrable. What sort of physic/psychic forces pull evolution along? We can't detect that force, but we can see where and what it has impacted. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:41 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > John, > It seems to be a distinction of static choice and dynamic choice. Ithink > what Arlo > objects to is implying a static choice on a dynamic. To apply static > definable meaning to > an indefinable dynamic. Platt insists that MoQ defines the indefinable, the > knowing > of "why". Arlo disagrees and I think, rightly so. Pragmatically however if > projecting > ultimate meaning on the indefinable dynamic has meaning for him, then it > has meaning > for him, but as Arlo points out, thats not really where Pirsig is pointing > with his concept of > dynamic quality. The most difficult thing, as stated before is accepting > the only fact there > is, we can not statically "know" the dynamic, therefore the spirit of the > MoQ > is "semper fidelis" in experience, situational awareness. > > -Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: John Carl <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 1:46:15 PM > Subject: [MD] Freedom and the Good > > I don't quite get Arlo's complaint against Platt, how can having a > cosmically intrinsic directional pull toward betterness impinge upon > freedom? > > > Freedom isn't something dependent upon anything outside myself, I can > choose > to push against gravity and walk on two legs, or just let my body fall and > flop all over the place, whatever. Likewise the cosmos being composed of > morality doesn't force me to be good. I'd say just the opposite of > constraint, it offers a force to push against, a choice to be made. > > A cosmos without quality is like a rollercoaster in space - meaningless. > > Does Arlo complain against gravity because it forbids him from floating off > into the aether? > > > Choice spells more freedom, not less. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
