Hi Mark, Quality can be described a number of ways depending on one's perspective. "Force" is an historical perspective. "Expression" is a softer version of "force" and implies an aesthetic aspect. My current favorite is "aura" to suggests Quality's enveloping nature and creative possibilities. Whatever. It's existence cannot be doubted, for every thought, every statement, every move is an "expression" of value.
Regards, Platt On 26 Nov 2009 at 23:08, markhsmit wrote: > Hi Platt, > > Just started reading this string. I would describe Quality as an Expression. > > Mark > > On Nov 21, 2009, at 7:47:14 AM, [email protected] wrote: > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom and the Good > Date: November 21, 2009 7:47:14 AM PST > To: [email protected] > On 21 Nov 2009 at 15:58, Andre Broersen wrote: > > > Platt: > > Pirsig calls Quality a moral force and refers to the creative power of > > the Dynamic force a number of times. Since it's a natural force, it's > > like gravity and other fundamental forces of the cosmos. To argue that > > no one can precisely measure this force is not to prove it doesn't > > exist. What proves it does exist is that the world would be > > unrecognizable without it. > > > > Andre: > > With all respect Platt, I think Pirsig's use of the word 'force' in > > relation to Quality (as he does in LILA) is used metaphorically, not > > literally. > > Perhaps you can explain for me the difference between a literal and a > metaphorical force. Seems to me both connote change. > > Again, Pirsig is quite adamant to 'keep all concepts out of > > Dynamic Quality'. (In McWatt, PhD).By suggesting it is a force in the > > way you use it, you are making it into something static and that is > > not what it is. (Not this/not that) > > Are you saying then that DQ is a sometimes thing, here today, gone > tomorrow? > > > To describe Quality as a force is the same as describing Yin/Yang as > > forces. They are not. > > How would you describe them? > > Thanks. > Platt > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
