HI Platt, I like the tuning fork analogy. The body (or the brain if you are so inclined) is what hums. What is feeling the humming? A tuning fork requires an ear. If the tuning fork experiences its own humming is it the metal that is experiencing? Can music experience itself? I believe so, if we say that the body can experience itself.
Some interesting speculation about time going on. What may be new is the way in which it relates to MoQ. It has been shown through physiological experiments using electrodes and imaging techniques, that our sense of time is retrospective. We perceive time in hindsight, directly. That is we cannot experience time until something happens afterward and we look back. Another input on this metasense, or experience of Quality before the intellect. This has also been shown with physiological experiments. If someone is asked to raise his hand in a moment, the intent (as seen though electrophysiology) precedes the actual intellectual realization of the intent by about 300 msec (or one third of a second). That is the decision is made before we realize it. Our realization is just a hindsight intellectualization of what is already happened. So perhaps this is where Quality is occurring. What does this say about free will? If all are actions occur before we think about them happening, the free will is not intellectual. The intellectual is simply used to communicate or store what has already happened. Is Quality at the forefront of free will? Does this Quality have a purpose? Just some more thoughts on Quality. Mark On Nov 21, 2009, at 6:29:03 AM, [email protected] wrote: From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] British Emergentism Date: November 21, 2009 6:29:03 AM PST To: [email protected] On 20 Nov 2009 at 11:34, Andre Broersen wrote: > Platt: > To be precise, all concepts such as "time" and explanatory dimensions" > are intellectual PoV. Which brings to mind Bo's idea that the MOQ is > transconceptual and therefore timeless, which fits with Quality being > outside definition. Maybe we're getting somewhere after all. > > Andre: > This is interesting Platt. Before I respond,( I haven't had 'time' to > respond to Bodvar's post yet) can you tell me what you mean by 'the > MoQ' being 'transconceptual'? > > I thought Pirsig was quite clear when he said that the MoQ is a static > intellectual PoV ( or does your 'transconceptual' say something > important about the intellectual level as well)? > > Cheers > Andre Hi Andre, What I meant by transconceptual is knowledge beyond definition, beyond words, "undifferentiated without conceptual distinctions." It refers to our meta-sense, a higher form of understanding that recognizes the beauty of the Parthenon and the truth of Godel's Theorem, a tuning fork in the brain than hums when we stumble upon something of exceptionally high quality -- like the MOQ.. Regards, Platt Regards, Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
