Bodvar to Ron: Do you mean that the so-called "logical gates" that all computation is built on belong to SOM? If so, you are wrong Logic is another aspect of Quality (like Beauty) that could have given rise to a non-S/O metaphysics.
cont.: Sure there is a MOQ logic. When premises change, logic (intelligence) lends its services to the new premise provider (top level). For people of the social era it was pure logic that existence was god-run. Then the Geek thinkers worked out new premises and intelligence found it logical that there were "objective explanations" for the old god- explanation. cont.: Can't see the flaw. SOM - the subject/object premises - employed logic successfully for nearly two millenniums, but of late (the empiricists of the seventeenth century is "recent" in this context) it began to spawn paradoxes and as a result Pirsig worked out new premises and logic will follow suit. (in the grand time scale) Andre: Hi Ron, Bodvar , All Enter Annotation 132 (LC): [The MoQ] ...employs SOM reasoning the way SOM reasoning employs social structures such as courts and journals and learned societies to make itself known. SOM reasoning is not subordinate to these social structures, and the MOQ is not subordinate to the SOM structures it employs. Remember that the central reality of the MOQ is not an object or a subject or anything else. It is understood by direct experience only and not by reasoning of any kind. Therefore to say that the MOQ is based on SOM reasoning is as useful as saying that the Ten Commandments are based on SOM reasoning. It doesn't tell us anything about the essence of the Ten Commandmants and it doesn't tell us anything about the essence of the MOQ'. If I understand this correctly there are two things here: 1) logic/reasoning is not necessarily 'objective' (or subjective) 2) by applying SOM reasoning to the MOQ, as Pirsig says somewhere in LILA, the data do not change but (within the MoQ premises) it completely up-ends the interpretation that can be given. Have I understood this correctly? Rehards Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
