Hi Platt, Yes it was a metaphor. However your flaw speaks to not fully understanding my meaning. Quality shapes. Existence can still be infinite. The container metaphor was not adequate. In its shaping it could be more like the way in which a mountain shapes the streams and rivers that come off of it. The mountain provides the expression seen in the rivers.
Still, we are speaking about duality. I believe Quality is supposed to be nondual. Therefore the concept of a force does not work either since a force has to act upon something else. Quality acts upon itself and there for is pure expression. The direction of Quality I call Intent. Cheers, Mark On Nov 28, 2009, at 4:51:08 PM, [email protected] wrote: From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom and the Good Date: November 28, 2009 4:51:08 PM PST To: [email protected] On 28 Nov 2009 at 15:32, markhsmit wrote: > Hi Platt, > Yes, we can call it anything we want. The point is to > call it something that provides meaning and human > understanding. Hi Mark, What provides meaning and understanding will necessarily vary from individual to individual. Your metaphor of Quality as a void inside a vessel containing existence is interesting and perhaps more meaningful to some than to others. I find your container concept flawed because to me existence is infinite. But there you go. It may be that differences of value (in this case opinion) is what gives the universe it's creative drive.Who knows? Still, a creative impulse of some kind is going on. That I think is beyond doubt. Best, Platt (Mark continues) For me Quality provides a human > aspect to the metaphysics. It also provides purpose > and justification. It is here where we must be careful. > > I like your concept of enveloping nature. Existence fills > in the void provided, in the same way species evolve into > niches. That void could be called Quality. If this idea > is carried further, then we could say that what exists > is confined by Quality, in the same way water is confined > to a glass, thus its shape. > > By further conjecture we could say that this boundary > created by Quality is the mirror image of what there > is, in the same way a mold creates a statue. If we are > indeed meeting the bounds of Quality and its direction, > then Quality is easy to imagine. It is simply the boundary > of what is. > > However, this would require a duality between Quality > and existence, similar to Ham ontology (I believe, please > correct me here Ham). This boundary would be at every > level, from the cosmic strings to the boundary of the universe. > In this way Quality acts upon at the smallest levels. One > could almost describe it as a parallel universe which is the > exact mirror of what we are. > > Cheers, > Mark > On Nov 28, 2009, at 2:12:33 PM, [email protected] wrote: > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom and the Good > Date: November 28, 2009 2:12:33 PM PST > To: [email protected] > Hey Andre, > > Call it gravity, magnetism, force, expression, aura, love, luck, Yin/Yang, > will, intention, urge, DQ -- whatever -- something else is going on that > moved the universe from chaos to order to life and is still actively > influencing events. About the only thing everyone agrees on is that it > cannot be explained but is felt on the pulses, most profoundly in the > presence of great art when one loses the separate self sense in a > moment of sublime harmony with the infinite. I keep coming back to > "beauty" as the most descriptive single word. But others have their > favorites. Dynamic Quality is a good pointer but only if the context is > familiar. Love bypasses some. But everyone knows beauty. > > Regards, > Platt > > > > On 28 Nov 2009 at 19:13, Andre Broersen wrote: > > > Platt to Mark: > > Quality can be described a number of ways depending on one's > > perspective. "Force" is an historical perspective. "Expression" is a softer > > version of "force" and implies an aesthetic aspect. My current favorite is > > "aura" to suggests Quality's enveloping nature and creative possibilities. > > Whatever. It's existence cannot be doubted, for every thought, every > > statement, every move is an "expression" of value. > > > > Andre: > > Hi PLatt, Mark. > > We talked about this before Platt. I have sent John, Reanney's idea > > about 'gravity' equated with love and I tried to explain to you the > > Yin/ Yang thing. > > > > Would you call 'Love' a force? I'd put Yin/Yang in the same 'category'. > > > > As Pat Benatar (?) would say 'Love is a battlefield'.or Annie Lennox: > > 'The miracle of Love'. Or Lennon: 'Love is all you need'. > > > > Cheers > > Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
