[Marsha to Andre:] It seems to me that each individual is attached to a conservative-pattern that is unique to their history. Not all conservative-patterns are this or that, or cry this or that. It might be so the MD Discuss doesn't collapse to the left, Platt offers a counterbalance to the right. Does conservatism or liberalism mean any more than freedom?
Andre: Hi Marsha, I don't understand how you can say that...'so the MD doesn't collapse to the left' without Platt's 'counterbalance'. Marsha: I did use 'might be' indicating a suggestion. Andre: Unless I have missed something, but, Arlo (for example) does not particularly present a 'leftist'/political point of view. He argues from a MoQ point of view, which is what we are here for. Marsha: >From Platt's perspective Arlo does seem to represent a 'leftist' point-of-view. Both Platt and Arlo seem to think they represent the MoQ. Have you been chosen to pronounce absolutely which statements prepresent the MoQ and which do not? I hope not. While I agree with much of what you post, I do not agree with all that you post. Andre: Platt's neo-con attitude is useful when seen in the context of the MoQ i.e. as a latching 'force' to hold on to dynamic gains made. But too much emphasis on holding on to the latched achievements, to the exclusion of further dynamic growth, opens the way to degeneracy. Marsha: Ahh, to know when to hold them and when to fold them is the important trick. Andre: At least, this is the way I understand the MoQ. Marsha: The key to this sentence is "I understand". Andre: Static patterns do not change by themselves. They must be capable of being responsive to DQ. My impression of Platt's counterbalance is that he excludes/limits the dialogue by repeating, like a broken record, the virtues of capitalism over socialism and this nebulous cry of 'freedom'. Marsha: No one need pay attention to Platt's repetition, nor some of Arlo's replies, replies like "You stoopid, Ron. In addition to also being a leftist, commie, tree-hugging, anti-liberty, freedom-hatin', flambeed-puppy-in-jerk-sauce-dippin' tyrannist." Btw, does this represent Arlo's MoQ point-of-view? Andre: I thought that the MoQ's 'freedom' is a moving away, a letting go of any 'ism'. Marsha: Did you think that? I thought you wrote "But as Pirsig points out 'Freedom' doesn't mean anything'." Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
