Hi Arlo, We are on the same page here. Yes, environmentalism is also a product of Quality. The endeavors of man are indeed within the expression of Quality.
The question is, where does this leave free will? I believe that although choice is quite restricted, there is a modicum of personal power (if you will) that inter-plays with the expression of Quality. Quality provides the choices, but there is a loophole which allows free will. This is not unlike Christianity that contends that God provides free will, although God is everything. I am not Christian and simply use this point to expound on the sentence before. With this said, it could also be deduced that that which diminishes free will suppresses the expression of Quality. It can be said that capitalism reduces free will by making us all subservient to the almighty dollar. However, that desire for more comes from within. Some environmentalism dictates in a way that diminishes free will. This could well be for the purposes of saving the planet for future generations, but such speculation is purely intellectual and not necessarily innate to everyone. In terms of the noise pollution, that is a good question for a court of law, as that may impact personal freedom. Of course cutting down a forest also invades the personal freedom of taking a hike. This is why I do not like to argue by bringing up extremes as if they support a position. Consensus is also a difficult one, since the silent minority have their freedom impacted. So it is all a grey area. I would agree that you should be able to take the muffler off and destroy your ears. Communities have developed covenants for this kind of thing. If all you Hell's Angels (headquarters near where I live) created a noisy community, that would be one solution. The deal with environmentalism, in some cases, is that it extends to laws and political manipulation which extends into broad areas. There is no voting on this, no ability to dissent. The treaty on global warming is one such effort. And so, it is nice to see that proponents of such a thing are shown to be manipulative and devious towards a desired end (no matter how religious). Many people are tired of being dictated to by scientists, who are just other people after all. It would appear from the research I have read, that the understanding of global warming is not complete enough to dictate economics. Mark On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:09:39 PM, "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <[email protected]> wrote: From: "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost Date: December 2, 2009 10:09:39 PM PST To: [email protected] [Mark] Reason did not create capitalism, Quality did. [Arlo] Then "reason" created "environmentalism" too. Or did Quality only create the things that agree with you? "Capitalism" was an economic theory thought out and implemented by humans via reason. It didn't miraculously spring into existence by mandate of some higher power. [Mark] How can you put the endeavors of man outside of Quality? [Arlo] Huh? I'm not even sure what this means. Quality is revealed IN the endeavors of man. Are you saying "reason" is "outside Quality"??? Isn't "reason" an "endeavor of man"??? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
