Environmentalists v Capitalists? Hmm that is an interesting pair. I suppose capitalists is used in a derogatory fashion by those who went out and bought a computer to join in the forum.
The problem that I have with some environmentalist is that they think they know the Truth. They are righteous and believe everyone should believe the way they do otherwise they are less than human. In this way, they try to control things the way they think is right. I agree with Platt, that sometimes it is nice to see that they are just as devious and manipulative as the rest of the evil capitalists. It is this righteous sense of morality that many environmentalists have that somehow elevates them to a more religious level that is annoying. It is another PC abuse. Capitalists try to live well as best they know. They are a little excessive perhaps and their infatuation with wealth is a bit annoying as well, but to each his own. I am not going to force anyone to be a capitalist or a spiritualist, tell or force them how to live. We are not going to be allowed to buy plasma TVs in California now because of somebody's opinion. What is that all about? Oh, saving the planet, but from what, our desire to live as we want to? Couldn't have that, we are so stupid. We can no more control the fate of the planet than we can live under a dictatorship. It is all about control, not about concern. Best thing that happened for environmentalism is the recession. The deeper it goes, the more we save the planet. Best if the US just imploded. Reasonable environmentalism? That is an oxymoron. IMHO Mark [Ron] ... environmentalism goes against the grain of SOM since it asserts humans are indeed part of the environment and we better manage our practices better ... [Arlo] Hush! If you aren't fear-mongering, I can't hear you... lalalalalala.... Environmentalists hate freedom.... lalalalala... Environmentalists want to enslave mankind... lalalalala... Environmentalists want death camps... lalalalala... A while back, I stumbled on the word "conservationalist" (a la Walden and Thoreau), and I thought "why did we stop using this word?" Somewhere along the lines the entirety of the "national dialogue" became warped into a ridiculous ping-pong game of fear and loathing (sorry, Horse's tag line has me thinking about this great man again). It was suggested to me once that the bedding of the capitalists and the fundamentalists has produced a worldview where not only is "nature" nothing more than a resource to exploit in the name of profit, but as a meaningless realm of existence before "Heaven" it is something we should pay no concern to. With our eyes gazed on the Great Afterlife that awaits, we can use the world with abandon as we seek only the comfort of money to tide us over til Our Heavenly Father takes us in (and damns all not like us). On the other extreme are those who view humans as a parasitic virus, infecting and infesting an otherwise flawless and unspoiled landscape. And those of us who want clean land to hunt and hike, clean oceans to ensure bountiful fishing alongside the beauty of the myriad species inhabiting the earth, well, we get left behind. Unless we choose to nail ourselves to a tree, or unflinchingly chop down entire forests, there is no space us in this "war". Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
