Hi Mark, I'd like to take a stab at an explanation...
RMP has equated quality/value/experience/reality (They are the labels, not the experience.) I like to use the word 'experience'. From an emerging Quality level there is Experience (unpatterned (DQ) and patterned (sq)). All the talk of quality, experience, self, stone-age men, barking dogs, brains, minds, bodies, and even the MoQ is talk of analogues. From the Quality Level there is no explanation, only experience: unpatterned and patterned. Talk of Absolute truth, conventional truth, relativism is all still just intellectualizing about analogues. There is a saying that goes something like 'If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him'. The Buddha is sometimes equated with the dharma, the teaching. So my understanding is that, in the end, even the teaching needs to be killed, like "Kill all intellectual patterns. Kill them completely." On the Quality Level there is only experience, unpatterned and patterned. imho Marsha On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:24 PM, markhsmit wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:45:58 PM, [email protected] wrote: > In many places Pirsig uses the term knowledge as synonymous with > intellect, but "ability to know" makes me a little uneasy. Stone Age > (social level) humans knew to perfection what was necessary for their > existence, but this (both dextrous skill and the "how to") knowledge I > relegate to intelligence. By knowledge in connection with intellect we > mean something grander, the objective, scientific truth as contrasted > to the subjective "I just wish - or want - this to be true". Don't start > about science's limitations, all this is part of the MOQ's scope . > > Hi Skutvik, > Interesting that you would think the current knowledge as objective. It is > quite clear to me > that it is all subjective. That you would claim it to be objective belies > the depth of > hypnosis you are in. If it is objective, then why doesn't a tree know it? > Science is a > creation of the human brain, nothing more. There is no objectivity in > language, in > communication, all of it is subjective agreement, no different from a barking > dog. > Yes it has meaning to us, but that is about it. A barking dog has meaning to > a dog. > It is time you break this cage you are in. The human appreciation of > existence is > Quality itself, nothing more. I can see that you wish to be at the top of > the heap. > But it doesn't take much to see through all of that. You seem to be cast in > a spell. > All of it may have meaning to you, in the name of Pirsig, but there is so > much more. > You are just scratching the surface. There are many trails, MoQ is one of > them. I know > you believe Quality to be some large encompassing absolute truth, but it is a > bubble > of truth amongst many other bubbles. It is sustained by convention within, > but not from > without. Try as I may, I can see that this bubble will be hard to break, but > fear not, there > is nothing to fear. Open your mind. > > All the best in your journey, > Mark > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
