On 16 Dec 2009 at 20:24, markhsmit wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:45:58 PM, [email protected] wrote: > In many places Pirsig uses the term knowledge as synonymous with > intellect, but "ability to know" makes me a little uneasy. Stone Age > (social level) humans knew to perfection what was necessary for their > existence, but this (both dextrous skill and the "how to") knowledge > I relegate to intelligence. By knowledge in connection with intellect > we mean something grander, the objective, scientific truth as > contrasted to the subjective "I just wish - or want - this to be > true". Don't start about science's limitations, all this is part of > the MOQ's scope . > > Hi Skutvik, > Interesting that you would think the current knowledge as objective. > It is quite clear to me that it is all subjective. That you would > claim it to be objective belies the depth of hypnosis you are in.
Christ Smit, this was what I warned against, stop pointing to intellect's (SOM's) shortcomings, this the MOQ knows much better than you would dream of. I described what Intellect - from its own premises - is, namely OBJECTIVE KNOWLEDGE. I'm in no hypnosis, stop acting the wise guy and try to understand. God, must this procedure be gone through for every newbie with his own axe to grind. > If it is objective, then why doesn't a tree know it? Science is a > creation of the human brain, nothing more. There is no objectivity in > language, in communication, all of it is subjective agreement, no > different from a barking dog. Yes it has meaning to us, but that is > about it. A barking dog has meaning to a dog. It is time you break > this cage you are in. The human appreciation of existence is Quality > itself, nothing more. I can see that you wish to be at the top of the > heap. But it doesn't take much to see through all of that. You seem to > be cast in a spell. All of it may have meaning to you, in the name of > Pirsig, but there is so much more. You are just scratching the surface. > There are many trails, MoQ is one of them. I know you believe Quality > to be some large encompassing absolute truth, but it is a bubble of > truth amongst many other bubbles. It is sustained by convention > within, but not from without. Try as I may, I can see that this bubble > will be hard to break, but fear not, there is nothing to fear. Open > your mind. Yes, all these things I wrestled with half a quarter of a century ago, they can't be reconciled from intellect's (as SOM) premises. Then I came across Pirsigs ideas and everything crystallized into a different pattern. I thought you interested in this. Go join Ham. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
