Hi Andre 29 Dec. u wrote: > Formal logic in the "if A=B, then B=A " sense is truly a SOM product, > but this applied before the intellectual level, and ancient (social > level) people knew that through calculation, and that this works for > animals too is plain as displayed by their striking intelligence.
Andre: > Bodvar, bear with me...so 'formal' logic is not an intellectual PoV? > Please explain. What I meant was that logic as an academical discipline is SOM (intellect) in the same sense that mathematical theorems are, but the mere phenomenon that 2+2=4 is something any intelligent being knows intuitively. Regarding Pythagoras' (the sum of the squares of the legs ....etc.) this was known to the Babylonians (social level) but only with Pythagoras did this become an academical (intellectual) theorem. Remember Pirsig's alleged disproof of the SOL (intellect=S/O) on the grounds that "... logic itself and mathematics have no S/O content ..etc". How could he say that these things are "intellectual patterns", they have been always and are the base of reality itself? But then, where exactly does logic ITSELF belong in the MOQ? This has given me "gas" (and constipation) Perhaps it is another aspect of Quality, like Beauty? " Transcribing Plato: That two plus two is four, Phaedrus, need we ask anyone to tell us these things" Bodvar: > BTW The momothist God isn't Christian but a Jewish entity that Jesus > started the undermining of by his Intellectual foray into the (social) > Semitic heartland. Andre: > How did he do this? By undermining/sabotaging/questioning Jewish > rituals and customs designed to honour their God? E.g. not being > allowed to heal the sick on Saturday's because that was a day of rest > to be devoted to the worship of Jaweh? Forget it. It's something the MOQ "equation" reveals for me, but I won't bring you more consternation. Marsha obviously found it a personal insult. Bodvar: > The logic that the MOQ applies is exactly the same logic or > intelligence that have soldiered on for all Q-levels up through the > ages, but it works under new premises and will now reach Q-results ... > the day when you folks start to apply it, but you seem deep in SOM's > premises. > Andre: > Okay, please elaborate...in simple language. As said 2+2=4 in the MOQ too. Can it be simpler? > You also asked me where I live now. In China. Shangluo county, > Shangzuo City, 2 hours by bus east of Xi'an, capital city of Shaanxi > province. Xi'an is famous for its terracotta warriors archeological > site, some 40 kms north of the city. (You may have seen it on the > cover of some China travel guides, e.g.Lonely Planet,) Yes, the terracotta army I know, China is the coming superpower it seems, wonder what that will mean for the world. Are you still a teacher? Thanks Andre, you are a gem. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
