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Marsha On Jan 14, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > Exactly Marsha. > We do have many level-crossing-patterns - in fact my point is that few > patterns are entirely confined to one level, except for practical > simplicity of being able to talk about them - utility as Matt would > say. > > (In another context I might call them strange loops, but whatever we > call them, they exist and they evolve.) > Ian > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:32 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Ian, >> >> Why constrain patterns into any level, for instance, the organic level? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> On Jan 14, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >> >>> That was my point Marsha, who wants to say forever ? >>> (Clue : Bo) >>> Ian >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>>> >>>>> Two points then Marsha, >>>>> >>>>> Why constrain those intellectual patterns to be based on SOM for ever ? >>>> >>>> My answer is: I don't have an answer. How can I respond to a question >>>> about forever? >>>> >>>> Why constrain patterns into any level? Forever? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Metaphysics ? - Search me. >>>> >>>> >>>> Okay. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:56 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian, >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, in that case I would say the MoQ is a metaphysics that includes >>>>>> within it four static levels of patterns of which the fourth (top) level >>>>>> is comprised of intellectual patterns based on a Subject/Object >>>>>> Metaphysics. I still like to hear an agreed upon definition of >>>>>> metaphysics. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:26 AM, MarshaV wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is how I understand it too. But then one should understand it's >>>>>>> analogues all the way down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first question is: Aren't we playing the metaphysical game? Do we >>>>>>> have an agreed upon definition of metaphysics? Isn't metaphysics an >>>>>>> analogue? All the way down? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think it's a waste of time, though, because I've learned lots >>>>>>> in the category of: not this, not that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Horse wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In a nutshell >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steven Peterson wrote: >>>>>>>>> Perhaps much confusion would be cleared up if you keep in mind that >>>>>>>>> Quality is reality and the Metaphysics of Quality is words about >>>>>>>>> Quality. It is the philosophy of Robert M Pirsig. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of >>>>>>>> arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but to skid >>>>>>>> in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly >>>>>>>> used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"... >>>>>>>> Hunter S Thompson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shoot for the moon. 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