Mary said to John: DMB (hi Dave, nice to hear from you again! I was around when you were first posting and remember), DMB points out, rightly so, that you (and apparently this Royce) are Hegelists. That's fine, but is not germane to the conversation. Spare me the Royce quotes unless they relate to the MoQ in some way.
dmb says: Thanks for the friendly greeting, Mary, and hello to you too. I recently saw my former college girlfriend, who I hadn't seen for 25 years. We had lunch. Her name is Mary and, in fact, I thought you might be her. Just so I'm not too disappointed, let's pretend I was your virtual boyfriend ten years ago and now we're virtually having lunch. Don't worry, I'll pick up the virtual check this time. I more or less agree with what you're saying to John here but Royce was in the general neighborhood of pragmatism, or at least he had friends who lived in that neighborhood. I mean, Royce shouldn't be a problem here and his ideas might even be interesting in terms of contrasts and comparisons but it seems that John would need to do a little work to make it interesting. You know, the make Royce's comments relevant to pragmatism in general and the MOQ in particular he needs to present some context and some explanations along with the quotes. Most of the time, I can't really see any point being made. I suspect that's because he's quite sure what Royce is saying and so he doesn't really have a point. But he seems like a pretty good guy to me. He's smart, funny, expresses himself well and he's interested in philosophy. That's a charming combo, so I cut him lots of slack. In this case, for example, I'd say that pragmatism can be mistaken for Idealism because it is not Realism. It's also mistaken for Realism because it's not Idealism. Maybe I'm just confessing my own lack of clarity, but I think it's a pretty easy mistake to make. The difference between Idealism and the MOQ is so close that Pirsig himself was in agreement Bradley's descriptions. But only up to a point, right up to the point where Pirsig got angry about "God" getting smuggled in through the back door. Even though Royce is not a full-on Hegelian, he is still an Idealist of some kind. And so maybe those Copleston annotations would be a good place for John to start. http://robertpirsig.org/Copleston.htm Anyway, I wasn't really following this thread and was almost inadvertently rude. If I missed anybody else's hello, cover for me will you? Tell them we were having virtual lunch and I got virtual food poisoning and puked up a bunch of pixels. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
