Mark said to dmb:
...And, for the record, Quality is fixed, it's expression in terms of evolution
is not. Do not confuse the two.
dmb says:
Well, to use "fixed" in relation to Quality is an extremely unfortunate use of
terms. That is exactly what Pirsig denies in ZAMM's final culminating scenes.
There he says that Plato's big mistake was to convert the Good into a "fixed,
eternal form" and of course that's why he adopts the term "dynamic", which
means "not fixed".
Mark continued:
If Quality is reality, then you are saying that Reality is not fixed.
dmb says:
Yes, exactly. That's the main idea.
Mark continued:
Even if Reality is everchanging, that does not mean that it is not Reality. We
are talking about absolutes here. Even an ever-changing perception can be
absolute in its change. That horses run can be absolute even if they all run
at different speeds, or if some only run in their dreams. Perhaps not a good
example, but hopefully you know what I mean.
dmb says:
When I was in college my girlfriend and I took a trip to NYC and one day when
we were walking over to the park a couple of high school girls stopped us and
asked us to participate in a little survey. They wanted to if either of us
thought there was anything that is permanent or eternal. I laughed and said,
"Yea, change. Change is the only thing that never changes". If that's what you
mean, I'd agree.
Mark said:
For the record, imo, Ham adds to the discussion.
dmb says:
Hmmm. I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. It could just be that I deleted
it without reading it, but I've never seen anything from Ham that adds to the
discussion, not about the MOQ anyway. As I see it, Ham has never done anything
except defend SOM, which is the MOQ's central enemy. This would be interesting
if he first understood why the MOQ attacks it and then disagreed through some
kind of critical engagement but instead it is apparently a defense born of
complete incomprehension of what's going on here. Sorry, but that's how I see
it. It's nothing personal, you understand. He seems like a decent person but as
a philosopher his contributions in this forum are nil.
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