> Hi John. > I haven't given up on bringing some enlightenment to K-class :-) >
You are a brave teacher. > 9 Feb.: > you said many things in: response to my too many things, so I have > decided to concentrate on this single paragraph because to > understand the MOQ requires an understanding the difference > between the S/O distinction as a static value and as reality itself - as > SOM! > > John: > > You seem to have a problem with reason. It seems like you don't > > believe its reasonable for reason to realize its own limitations. ... > > But a MOQ adherer is supposed to have problems with reason, not > reason in the "ability to think straight" sense, but in the "straight > thinking reveals that existence's fundamental divide is the S/O" sense. > Pirsig's original target was reason in the latter sense and by and by he > found that this reason had arrived with the Greeks and then the > ensuing arguments in ZAMM which ends with S/O-reason (aka SOM) > becoming a subset of Quality. And from then on things were > supposed to be cleared up, but so many go on thinking that there is an > internal realm where concepts about the world reside, and that these > two realms are existence's fundamental split. I don't say more, my > arm-length posts are just a waste. Do you follow me this far? > > Bodvar > > yes, reading back to you, Your arm-length posts are a waste. For many, the divide between subjects and objects is the divide that defines their existence. But then I'm lost. You say SOM is a subset of Quality, and you equate S/O reasoning with S/O metaphysics. I say SOM can't be a subset of Quality because the definition of SOM is that there is no such thing as Quality except as a subjective evaluation. Therefore, to postulate Quality as existentially fundamental is to over-throw the "M" of SOM and put a MoQ in its place. How about you rechew that and then we'll see from there. John K. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
