[Dave] And I say you, DMB, RMP, and any others of the liberal persuasion can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say socialism is moral, intellectual pattern superior to capitalism. Then turn right around and claim as you did above that capitalism is an intellectual pattern.
[Arlo] Again, Dave, like many of the conservative persuasion, you're arguing against something that exists only in your own head. "Capitalism" is a theory. Like "socialism". Like "quantum physics". Where it is immoral is that it proposes to allow social patterns to dominate intellectual patterns. The "practice" or "system" of "capitalism" is a social system, as are all economic and market systems. Capitalism (the theory, an intellectual pattern) proposes that this market system (a social system) dominate intellectual patterns. THAT is Pirsig's argument, and its a valid one. [Dave] So again you are saying that RMP did not say what he said. He said that "a society guided by" [capitalism] is guided by "mindless traditions". But they work. But with as you below with serious problems: [Arlo] Capitalism, as a theory (intellectual pattern), champions a society guided by social patterns, yes. It works because of the Dynamic element in the market. But, yes, there is a host of problems with the current system, as noted throughout ZMM. [Dave] But to correct the errors of capitalism we need to figure out a way to shift to an economic system which more accurately weights a much wider array of values with as few impositions of government(s) as possible. [Arlo] Its all about balance. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
