Gareth said:
*The first is the Sophist route of pandering to the
audience's assumptions (otherwise called "communicating").
*Is the above "ironic"?
Matt:
Yes. Since Plato denounces the Sophists for pandering to
their audience, Stanley Fish reconstrues the difference
between Sophist and Platonist along the lines of their
presentational orientation to their audience's assumptions.
And communication only occurs if you and your audience
agree on enough stuff, share enough assumptions.
Gareth said:
I see a trend to an increasing consolidation [from Socrates
to Plato to Aristotle to Alexander the Great] of power or
the attempt to rule others, both politically and intellectually.
I do not hold Socrates responsible because we have no
reliable account of his views.
Matt:
I've never run into anybody that quite makes that much out
of that sequence.
And I think it's pretty pessimistic to say that we have "no
reliable account" of Socrates' views. We have
material--more than for Jesus--and scholars have done
decent work over the last 400 years in coming to whatever
consensus they've been able to manage, which is that we
know enough about Socrates to say a few likely things
about him.
Matt
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