Steve, Horse, DMB and MD in general.

I understand that you have resorted to the only tactics left - silence - 
but can't you just comment this single one from Mary's list.  

    the day Socrates died to establish the independence of 
    intellectual patterns from their social origins.  Or the day 
    Descartes decided to start with himself as an ultimate source 
    of reality.  These were days of evolutionary transformation. 
    (From ZAMM).  

Socrates is SOM's chief midwife, that much we agree on ... no? He 
died "to establish the independence of intellectual patterns from their 
social origins. In a MOQ context this becomes the intellectual level's 
independence from the social level .... no? Here is nothing about 
SOM's emergence from some other previous intellectual pattern(s) but 
from society.  Ergo SOM - all of it, every last bit - is Intellect.

In Descartes' case Pirsig does not explicitly mention SOM, but his 
(Descartes') "Cogito ..." sentence is intellect's metamorphosis into its 
subject/object stage so it's another proof that Pirsig originally  meant 
SOM to be equivalent to intellect . I just wonder how you explain this 
away. Plus the most glaring proof of them all the proto-moq diagram 
where SOM also is called "intellect". 

In beforehand, thanks

Bodvar 








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