Hi Mary,

On 4/4/10 9:50 AM, "Mary" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have never had a single thought in which I were not a discrete entity in the
> thought relationship.

But is this real condition or a conditioned reality? However discrete this
single thought is, until and unless you communicate it to some other person,
it is always part of, integral, with Mary. Is "Mary" a subject or an object?
I would suggest she can be thought of as one, or the other, or both. From a
SOM perspective Mary's thoughts are always discrete from Mary's mind. Mary's
mind is always discrete from Mary's brain. Mary's brain is discrete from
Mary's body. All this "discreteness" is a result of Descartes though
experiment. His thought experiment to treat nature as a machine of discrete
individual parts, while a boon to science, was never intended to be a true
representation of reality, but a usefully tool to study it. If the whole
problem is too difficult to study break it down into small solvable pieces.

But as a point of fact without an integrated, unified whole  (consisting of
Descartes fictionalized discrete parts of body, brain, mind, thoughts,self,
on down to quarks is you wish) "Mary" would never had have a thought one.

Subject and objects by the same token are just useful fictions that we
humans use to help us understand ourselves and our environments. But you
will never find either one in their native state.

Dave


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