Steve, Horse, DMB and MD in general.
I understand that you have resorted to the only tactics left - silence -
but can't you just comment this single one from Mary's list.
the day Socrates died to establish the independence of
intellectual patterns from their social origins. Or the day
Descartes decided to start with himself as an ultimate source
of reality. These were days of evolutionary transformation.
(From ZAMM).
Socrates is SOM's chief midwife, that much we agree on ... no? He
died "to establish the independence of intellectual patterns from their
social origins. In a MOQ context this becomes the intellectual level's
independence from the social level .... no? Here is nothing about
SOM's emergence from some other previous intellectual pattern(s) but
from society. Ergo SOM - all of it, every last bit - is Intellect.
Ron:
Socrates died for an idea. A moral conviction. That the pursuit of the
true, is the highest species of the good. The pursuit, the endeavor the act
itself.
When Martin Luthar nailed that declaration on the church door, it was another
example of the establishing of intellectual independance so understand that
Pirsig is
likewise making an appeal to the establishing of intellectual independance from
social origins.
Bodvar:
In Descartes' case Pirsig does not explicitly mention SOM, but his
(Descartes') "Cogito ..." sentence is intellect's metamorphosis into its
subject/object stage so it's another proof that Pirsig originally meant
SOM to be equivalent to intellect .
Ron:
I think, therefore I am. or I think, there fore I exist...or even I'm
conscious
therefore I exist. Is a subjective assertion about reality. It directly goes
against
the objective realist notion of objective existance of the self that your body
is
who you are. That my body exists therefore I am.
sorry no proof
Bodvar:
I just wonder how you explain this
away. Plus the most glaring proof of them all the proto-moq diagram
where SOM also is called "intellect".
Ron:
Which one is that? please post the link..
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