Ian, Adrie, All. > Jeez Bo, who needs sarcasm. get your facts right
> And Adrie is right about Gent-Terneuzen canal being where Nell was > conceived. They had crossed the Atlantic a year and a winter before > crossing to mainland Europe from anchorage at Falmouth, UK. > (You'll have to enlighten me on the mediterranean voyage - passed me > by ?) Nell was born in april 1981 so I was wrong about her being on the boat on the eastward leg in 1979 (they were in the same storm that wrecked several sailboats of the Fastnet Race, but the little nutshell "Arete" survived. It's a pilot boat of Norwegian design). They left Sweden in august 1984 and (according to a letter from Wendy of Feb. -85)) "...sailed to Germany , then spent the whole autumn going through the canals of Germany, Holland, Belgium and France till we reached the Mediterranean around the first of the year" (1985) So at least Nell was neither conceived or born on that trip. Where do do have such intimate information from? ;-) I have no doubt about the Gent canal, just wonder why "navigating the canals of Holland" then going out into the North Sea to enter Belgium at Terneuzen. > Please be honest. Your SOL is a private interpretation (of yours) just > like any interpretation ... and the vast majority of us are promoting > Pirsig, not alternative philosophers ... just trying to interpret and > relate to real life and other mainstream philosophies. Leave it, I have understood that regardless of quotes and contexts that (Mary, Platt, I or whoever dig up) show that the MOQ must be in agreement with the SOL (to have any explanatory power) you folks will remain unperturbed. BTW are there any other interpretations? Except the "SOL is wrong" disclaimers? Bodvar > > Regards > Ian > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:33 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Adrie > > Welcome from a fellow European trying to cope with the English > > language. I guess you are situated in the Flemish part of Belgium? > > > > I would also have liked to say welcome to the MOQ discussion, but of > > late it has become a principle NOT to speak about Pirsig's ideas. > > About every philosopher except Pirsig has been promoted in addition > > to private "systems" *) Academical philosophy surely is in trouble > > and Pirsig's MOQ is a way out of its logjam, but no one will hear > > about this and continue in the Socratic vein. One feels transported > > back to Athens 300 BC when listening to the "what is truth" debate. > > Pirsig says that (the notion of) truth appeared with the > > intellectual level - is what that level's "objectivity" is based on > > - but most participants are oblivious to this, to them MOQ is just > > another intellectual pattern, meaning a figment of our mind and > > truth is still something "out there". > > > > *) Expect sarcastic remarks about my SOL interpretation, but at > > least I stick to the MOQ. > > > >> greetings to you all. > >> My name is Adrie Kintziger , male, 51 yrs old ,married , i have one > >> son (22) and one dauchter (24) yrs old. I'm a Belgian Pirsigreader > >> since '76. > >> > >> First, excuse me for this , my englisch is me tarzan you > >> jane-englisch, only allowing me to follow your discussionlines, > >> taking part of it ,...will be difficult. > >> > >> I live in Zelzate , on the edge of the channel Gent-Terneuzen, at > >> spitting distance, i do most of my reading here, looking at the > >> channel . Pirsig sailed this channel, probably in '80,'81, and > >> moored with his boat in the port of Ghent. This was the period Nell > >> was conceived. > > > > About Pirsig sailing up there .. maybe, I believed he started > > further north on his way to the Mediterranean Sea, but about this > > I'm not sure. But Nell was born before starting om the Atlantic > > crossing - the first one to Europe - of that I'm fairly sure. > > > >> It is very likely that he was working on "Lila", on the channel. I > >> try to rethink his wherabouts here often, I found Ghent also in > >> Minnesota as a small village, founded by belgians, I also found > >> Groningen(Holland), founded by dutch immigrants, so Pirsig was > >> interested in what he could correlate "new world" versus "old > >> world"-Minnesota-Belgium. I concider this as extremely interesting, > >> i'm a bit of a purist. > > > > That he worked on the book LILA is for sure, I learned about that > > while he was in Sweden in 1980 and it was still ten years till its > > publication > > > > Bodvar "Bo" Skutvik of Bodö, Norway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
