Hi DMB, On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:00 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > dmb says: > > Because Jon is new, I think it's only fair to point out that Steve did not > answer the right questions. I mean, Jon asked what the moq says about truth > and how the moq avoids relativism but he answered as if Jon had asked what > Rorty says about those things.
Steve: Would you like to point out where I said something inconsistent with the MOQ? DMB quoted: > Pirsig says, "Value, the pragmatic test of truth, is also the primary > empirical reality. The MOQ says pure experience is value." (Lila 365) > "Quality! Virtue! Dharma! That is what the Sophists were teaching! Not > ethical relativism. Not pristine 'virtue'. But arete. Excellence. Dharma! > Before the Church of Reason. Before Substance. Before form. Before mind and > matter. Before dialectic itself. Quality had been absolute. Those first > teachers of the Western world were teaching Quality, and the medium they had > chosen was that of rhetoric. He has been doing it right all along." (ZAMM > 377) In is in this sort of context that Pirsig is an empiricist, a radical > empiricist. Our ideas are derived from experience and experience is the test > of truth and so truth is subordinate to experience in more ways than one. > > Anyway, this is all pretty far away from what Steve said. Steve: Can you explain what I said that is inconsistent withe the above? I think you must be misinterpreting me or Pirsig or both. Best, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
