dmb said:
... Jon asked what the moq says about truth and how the moq avoids relativism
but he answered as if Jon had asked what Rorty says about those things.
Steve replied:
Would you like to point out where I said something inconsistent with the MOQ?
...Can you explain what I said that is inconsistent with the above? I think you
must be misinterpreting me or Pirsig or both.
dmb says:
Seriously? You really don't see how your Rortyism is different from the MOQ?
The MOQ subscribes to empiricism. Instead of saying experience is the test of
truth, you conclude (with Rorty) that it's a matter of verbal agreement. As you
put it, "We are left to hash this out in conversation when we want to convince
someone else of what we want them to believe and why we think that they ought
to be convinced to believe it."
With all due respect, Steve, how many times do I have to explain this? The
answer was already in the post you replied to. It seems like your usual
response to my answer is the ask the question that was just answered. Instead
of making me repeat myself all the time, how about if you just read each of my
posts three or four times before responding. You know, because reading is so
much easier than typing. That's how I do it. I read the post all the way
through, then I read it again to select the most relevant parts, then I read
each part again carefully as I'm writing the response. But to repeatedly ask
the question that's just been answered... Well it looks real sloppy and
careless.
The difference is between experience and language, Steve, and we've been
talking about that difference for months. If you don't see it by now, I guess
you never will. I give up. It's just too frustrating.
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