Hi Jon, Ok, so where do human rights come from?
Best, Steve On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Jon Bennett <[email protected]> wrote: > MarshaV, > Again Marshsa, how do you determine reality. > What is your epistemology. Did you arrive at the definition of reality given > below through the use of your reason, your senses, or did you have a > revelation from "quality". > > Or did you get this definition from the revealed truth of another, who wrote > it in a book. > > >From a political standpoint, let me say unequivocally, absolutely, as an > objective truth, fact or whatever you choose to call it, that the rights of > man, individual liberty, including their protection in law, and political > institutions that protect them, did not and could not ever have arisen from > such a definition of reality as you have just given. > > To the contrary, you have defined reality in a way that invites, and has > historically resulted, in tyranny. Ideas have consequences. > > Jon > > > Reality is Quality(Dynamic Quality(unpatterned experience)/static > quality(patterned experience(inorganic,biological,social&intellectual > patterns))) > > So what do you have in mind for Truth with a capital T? Or are you talking > about politics with a small t? > > > > Marsha > >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 17, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Jon Bennett wrote: >> >> > Hi MarshaV, >> > >> > I am interested in Truth with a capital T, as Francis Shcaeffer would >> say. >> > Much to be said on this, but for starters, its not truth as I or as you >> or >> > as anybody wishes it. It's Truth that IS regardless of what you think >> about >> > it, or if you even understand or perceive it. >> > >> > The first thing that strikes me about our current crisis of truth, is >> that >> > we should even ask what it means. Would you ask what a lie means, what >> > deceit, falsehood, or error means. But we are in such a crisis and that >> is >> > what P's books address. >> > >> > Political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, the >> > understanding of human rights and the laws that protect these did not >> arise >> > out of a vacuum, out of a nothingness. They arose out of a very specific >> > understanding of Truth, with a capital T. And the elimination, the denial >> of >> > those freedoms and rights, arise out of a specific "understanding" , >> truly a >> > misunderstanding of truth, as well. >> > >> > Even the understanding of an individual, whether an individual human >> being, >> > or individual human rights, or individual laws that protect and preserve >> > them, or the idea of an individual thing or entity, are based in >> > philosophical and ultimately theological assumptions. >> > >> > The very reason I am free to write and you are free to read these words, >> is >> > based on just such philosophical and theological assumptions that were >> > extended to moral, legal, and political institutions. >> > >> > And where different assumptions prevail we would not be able to speak so >> > freely. All cultures, religions, and philosophies do not lead to the same >> > understanding and protections of human rights and individual liberties. >> > >> > That is why we should seek a genuine, a True understanding of history and >> > the ideas behind it. And why we should work out our paradigms with "fear >> and >> > trembling". >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jon >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:43 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Hello Jon, >> >> >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Jon Bennett wrote: >> >> >> >>> But beyond this-what makes something good anyway? What makes something >> >> just. >> >>> You must start by telling me your epistemology. You must have a valid >> way >> >> of >> >>> knowing truth, or you are playing a wishing game. >> >> >> >> What type of truth are you wishing for? >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> And without such a reliable foundation, someone will impose their truth >> >> on >> >>> you, and take away your liberty. >> >> >> >> And in the light of truth as you wish it, how is this statement true? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
