Hi Steve,

Wow!  Can you write!  I don't really like your question because
it's too nebulous.  I don't know what you mean by: love, we or 
others?  


Marsha
 






On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Steven Peterson wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> As a nonbeliever and a pragmatist, I don't think that we have a duty
> to anything powerful and nonhuman such as Reason or The Moral Law let
> alone a supernatural entity. My only duty is to my fellow sentient
> beings with whom I am fortunate enough to spend a lifetime. If you ask
> me why I ought to be concerned about other humans, I will have no
> answer for you. Though I sometimes get asked this question, I've come
> to find it more and more strange that anyone would think that it is an
> important question to ask, yet it has been made clear to me that I am
> thought to be lacking something vital in not having an answer. In
> being able to respond, "because God says you ought to," believers tell
> me that they have something significant that I don't have. What I am
> supposedly lacking is often called a "foundation" for my ethical
> claims.
> 
> On the contrary, I think that anyone who needs to sincerely ask the
> question, "why love?" is the one who is lacking something
> important--probably love itself. People who love others simply don't
> ask "why love?" unless they are playing the hypothetical extreme
> skeptic--the Devil's advocate. The only non-hypothetical people who
> need an answer to this question are those we call psychopaths, and no
> offer of a philosophical foundation through reading Kant or Aristotle
> is likely to convince a psychopath of anything. A theology might work
> and I think does work in controlling the behavior of some psychopaths
> so long as the threat of future punishment can be made to seem
> undesirable and likely enough to balance against the perceived rewards
> of anti-social behavior, but such is not true morality. Such a person
> is not doing what is right out of concern for others but only as a
> matter of animal self-preservation.
> 
> C.S. Lewis in "An Experiment in Criticism" explained the Christian
> view of ethics as follows:
> "In the moral sphere, every act of justice or charity involves putting
> ourselves in the other person's place and thus transcending our own
> competitive particularity." In Lewis's view and my own, moral behavior
> is motivated by empathy and compassion rather than by fear of
> punishment or desire for reward. Where Lewis and I will disagree is on
> the notion that in addition to cultivating empathy and compassion and
> learning about what compassionate behavior is like, there is a need to
> also imagine a ground upon which this notion can stand. We need such a
> thing as The Moral Law and a Divine Command to follow this Law as an
> answer to the question of why we should even bother cultivating
> empathy and compassion. But this Divine Command carries with it a
> system of carrots and sticks that just takes us back to animal
> self-preservation instead of morality, so by accepting this answer we
> are rejecting our notion of morality as unmotivated by such insentives
> and disinsentives.
> 
> Just as believers who attempt to answer the question "why love?" can
> point to otherworldly divine judgment and subsequent rewards and
> punishments, nonbelievers can point to materialist explanations for
> why we love based on biological evolution and social contracts.
> Neither of these sorts of answers are very satisfying because they are
> answers about carrots and sticks rather than empathy and compassion.
> Likewise, Biblical answers like, we should love, because God first
> loved us just lead to more and more questions. Why? Why? Why? Anyone
> who has ever had a conversation with a three-year-old knows that at
> some point we exhaust our conversational resources in response to such
> questions upon questions and get tempted to posit some universal
> principle about the way things just are. But these principles about
> the way things are now, even if true, won't tell us how things ought
> to be in the future.
> 
> Having reached such an impasse, it may make sense to step back and ask
> whether the question at hand is one we even have. Asking "why should
> we love at all?", is to play the skeptic in merely feigning disbelief
> in the notion that we ought to love anybody. It is fake doubt because
> the skeptic can give us no good reason to think that this question is
> a practical matter for anyone who already does love. After all, none
> of us look at their parents or their children or their friend or
> anyone who they already do love and needs to ask whether or not loving
> them is a good thing to do. I have heard no philosophical argument in
> answer to this question that would make us love those who we do not
> already love any more than such an argument has ever make us not love
> those that we already do love, and I doubt such an argument is
> possible. The question posed by the skeptic "why love?" seems to me to
> presuppose that at some point in our childhoods, those of us who now
> love were convinced by a strong rational argument that loving is what
> we ought to do, and therefore we decided to do it, yet I doubt anyone
> thinks that is how love begins.
> 
> The fact is that we already do love and recognize the virtue of loving
> at least some others as self-evident. What we need is not a
> philosophical foundation to tell us why we ought to love, since for us
> this is not a practical problem that we have any need to solve. What
> we need is to better understand how to love others--how to better take
> into account the needs of more of us and to expand and deepen our
> circles of moral concern. What we should seek is not a philosophical
> foundation for our current moral beliefs--a way to give our current
> practices eternal status as The Moral Law--but rather ways to grow
> morally--to enhance our moral imaginations for putting ouselves in
> another's place and sharing in their joys and sorrows.
> 
> 
> One way in which we have successfully cultivated empathy in the past
> is through telling one another stories that help us imagine new
> perspectives. Lewis might object that while cultivating empathy
> through stories is a good thing, we can't know whether or not we have
> made any moral progress without knowing whether the resulting
> behaviors are more of less in accordance with the Moral Law. On the
> contrary, we can account for moral progress by putting our stories
> within the larger context of a broader story or stories about how we
> got from there to here and what moving forward might look like. Such a
> metanarrative rather than a philosophical foundation is all we need to
> make our talk of moral progress coherent.
> 
>> From the American perspective with its largely Christian heritage,
> perhaps a good story from which both believers and nonbelievers may be
> able to take inspiration follows. It is a story about where we are now
> and how we may have gotten here which may also help guide is in where
> we ought to go in the future.
> 
> 
> A Narrative of Moral Progress
> 
> As pre-linguistic proto-humans, we were completely egoistic and
> amoral. We sought to increase pleasure and diminish pain. We did not
> yet have any concerns for the well-beings of others. In fact, we had
> no concepts of "self" or "other" or any concepts at all. It is not
> until we evolved to have symbolic selves and social roles that it
> makes sense to start thinking of ourselves at that time as moral
> beings. Our morals practices were whatever patterns of behavior we had
> that sometimes put the good of our relatives above the good of
> ourselves. Some of these behaviors, perhaps even all of them, are best
> explained as DNA-encoded responses for preservation of our DNA
> overriding our tendencies toward self-preservation of individuals
> (Dawkin's selfish gene theory), but as concerns for the well-being of
> others, these behaviors can be viewed as moral nevertheless. These
> first moral behaviors were always ethnocentric in the extreme. Those
> not part of the tribe and perhaps sharing enough of our genes, were of
> no moral concern.
> 
> 
> We told stories around the campfire at night about heroes who did
> great deeds and inspired new moral intuitions about the goodness of
> emulating their deeds. Our social groups continued to expand to
> include other tribes once nomadic ways of life gave way to
> agricultural ones.
> 
> In ancient Palestine, Moses and Joshua and others emerged as leaders
> that helped unite our tribes. They codified many of our best moral
> intuitions in a list of commandments prescribing how we ought to treat
> one another to be in accord with Divine Law. This Law was said to have
> been handed down through divine revelation to Moses given to us alone,
> God's Chosen People, yet we came to know that other societies that had
> no prior contact with us and presumably were not given the Divine
> Revelation of the Chosen People also developed the same sorts of laws.
> 
> The teachings of Jesus of Nazareth initiated a move toward a more
> universal approach to values while working within the tribal practices
> in Mosaic Law. When his moral intuitions conflicted with the
> prescriptions of the Mosaic Law he asked rhetorically, "do people
> exist to serve the law, or does the law exist to serve the people?"
> For Jesus, the Mosaic Law above all taught that we ought to love God,
> and he reinterpreted that "first and greatest commandment" to be
> equivalent to a second--that we should love our neighbors as
> ourselves. Note that by this greatest commandment, we are not told to
> believe in God but rather to love God, and we were told that the way
> to love God is to love others. In fact, Jesus taught, speaking for
> God, that "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of
> mine, you did for me" whether we knew we were doing so or not. Belief
> in God was no longer necessary for love of God.
> 
> In the parable about trees being known by their fruit, it was said
> that "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the
> kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is
> in heaven." Based on this story, it would seem that belief is neither
> sufficient nor necessary. Jesus taught in another parable, that the
> sheep will be separated from the goats on judgment day not based on
> adherence to any code of conduct or declaration of faith, but based on
> a compassion test: "I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I
> was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and
> you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and
> you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me."
> 
> The Gospel writers were clearly of two minds as to whether belief was
> a sufficient or a necessary requirement for salvation, In addition to
> the parables, we also have many declarative statements about the
> necessity of belief put into the mouth of Jesus. However, by focussing
> on the stories supposedly told by Jesus in his preferred method of
> teaching, we learned that love rather than belief is what is needed.
> While modern Christians continue to debate the matter of the
> importance of factual belief, amny of us coming from the Christian
> tradition came to learn that love is the first and only law.
> 
> We knew based on Mosaic Law that we ought to love our neighbors, but
> Jesus expanded our understanding of what it means to be a fellow human
> deserving of our moral concern. He didn't do it by articulating a
> philosophical foundation for ethics but rather by telling stories and
> asking such questions as "who acted as a neighbor?" in the well known
> parable of the Good Samaritan. It was through such story-telling that
> we came to imagine new perspectives and grow morally, and it is such
> story-telling which may also be our best hope for continued growth
> through recognizing others as also ourselves. Virtually every society
> known in history developed some version of the ethic of reciprocity,
> and like the others, our society has adopted this sentiment as its
> Golden Rule and as a fine distillation of many of our moral ideals and
> our best moral intuitions.
> 
> The life of Jesus and his teaching through stories became itself one
> of the stories that most inspires us and fits within the broader story
> of our moral growth that I am telling right now. Stories within
> stories within stories is how we have grown, and no important
> consideration to philosophical grounding in first principles was
> required. Such principles served in some cases to derive truths after
> the fact from our stories, but our stories give us our moral
> intuitions against which such principles need to be checked and
> corrected.
> 
> The Enlightenment thinkers, while often rejecting much of religious
> dogmatism, still recognized a Creator and thought we had a duty to
> nonhuman powers such as Truth and Reason. They were inspired by the
> moral vision of a brotherhood among men told of in the gospels. With
> inspiration from the Gospels and the Greek philosophers, they argued
> for the possibility of a new sort of community where all men were
> viewed as having been endowed by their Creator with sacred rights--a
> community where there was no aristocracy and all lives were valued
> equally. Many doubted that such was possible, but Our Founding
> Fathers, having read Locke and Rousseau, insisted that their beliefs
> followed from and were grounded in Truth, Reason, and self-evident
> principles.
> 
> If such principles were indeed self-evident, why were they not known
> before? Why did King George need to be informed of them? Why were
> these truths not already known to King George and everyone else?
> Self-evident truths don't need to be boldly declared, they can just be
> assumed, can't they? Perhaps not. Perhaps a certain amount of moral
> growth was required before such truths could be recognized as
> self-evidentially true. One had to have already learned to imagine
> himself in the place of an other in something like a Rawlsian thought
> experiment where justice is seen to be independent of the accidents of
> our births. We needed the ability to identify with the other to a
> great enough degree of empathy and compassion for the truth of these
> self-evident truths to be beyond question for us. If so, such
> universal principles were the result of expanded moral consciousness
> and derived through the historical progress of better-developed moral
> intuitions and empathy rather than access to the Moral Law through
> some special revellation.
> 
> Though some of them prayed for divine guidance, the Founding Fathers
> did not claim to have been given any special revelation urging them
> and advising them on how to forge a new nation upon newly disclosed
> divine truths. America was from the start an experiment in the
> possibilities for community where no man (and regretably they did seem
> to limit their ideas to white males) was in essence superior to any
> other, and none of us then knew for sure whether the experiment would
> be a success. The positing of universal human rights in the
> Declaration of Independence led to a future expansion of our circles
> of moral concern. Rigid dichotomies between the aristocracy and the
> peasantry were made fuzzy in a vision of egalitarian democracy where
> leaders were to be chosen based on their capability to lead rather
> than by being bothto aristoicratic parents. The principles we asserted
> as self-evident were stated in universal terms with consequences that
> we did not foresee at the time.
> 
> The Founding Father's triumph of moral imagination is remembered along
> with our profound failure of moral imagination with regard to African
> slaves. At the end of the eighteenth century we simply could not
> fathom a world where blacks and whites could live together or a world
> where woman and men were socially and intellectually equal. It took
> other moral geniuses to show us the possibilities for new communities
> where a person could be judged morally by the content of her character
> rather than by the color of her skin or her gender.
> 
> While the Founding Fathers appealed to Nature and Providence to
> explain their positions, they were also challenging many of our
> preconceived notions of what Human Nature was like. Would democracy
> just be the tyranny of the majority? Are we really fit to rule
> ourselves? If so, then human nature must be something other than the
> fixed essence that Aristotle thought it was and more of an open
> question as Rousseau described it, because we were never thought to be
> fit to rule in the past. Philosophical dogmas founded on the intrinsic
> nature of humanity have typically been one of the hurdles to be
> overcome in moral growth such as what was being sought in the American
> experiment. We should remember that it was thought that The Chosen
> People were intrinsicaly different from foreigners. It was thought
> that the aristocracy ruled by divine right. Their rule was justified
> by their intrinsic nature as royalty. It was once thought that blacks
> were different in some essential way from whites, and it was thought
> that women just didn't have the aptitude for intellectual endeavors.
> They were by nature too emotional to be able to make important
> decisions. All these beliefs were held on what was considered strong
> philosophical foundations.
> 
> The moral we pragmatists draw from this story is not that we need to
> find that one true foundation for our philosophies. Instead we need to
> drop the whole notion that ethics ought to be founded on something
> called Human Nature. We ought to instead favor a view of ethics
> surrounding moral imagination in recognizing our shared humanity
> (i.e., empathy) and the expansion of our circles of moral concern in
> seeing the joys and sorrows of others as our own (i.e., compassion).
> Our moral intuitions are not what they once were. How did we get to
> where we are now? Not because we finally discovered the right
> philosophical foundation for a system of ethical thought, but by
> stories--the visions of moral geniuses like Moses, Jesus, Gandhi,
> Siddartha Gotama, Jefferson, Lincoln, Susan B Anthony, Martin Luther
> King, and Desmond Tutu having been to the mountaintop and having
> brought back their stories to inspire the rest of us and the rest of
> us continually telling their tales. It was by reading Uncle Tom’s
> Cabin rather than Kant that opened our hearts to the cruelty of
> slavery. Though the history of ideas has had a part to play in this
> broad narrative of narratives, such ideas about human nature are just
> one type of story we tell one another about ourselves and often not
> nearly so effective in changing hearts as humanistic narratives that
> get us to see one another and ourselves through new eyes and imagine
> new ways of living.
> 
> 
> Our history is not a relentless march toward a pie-in-the-sky goal,
> but a halting, mistepping, backtracking, and correcting struggle to
> find some path toward something undefined but better. This story
> doesn't tell us what "better" will look like in the future--we can
> only hope that future moral geniuses will come along to paint such
> pictures of new and better utopian visions for us--but it does tell us
> what "better" means in moral terms. We will have improved from where
> were in the past if we have successfully created new forms of life
> where the separation between the needs of the self and the needs of
> the other is dissolved.
> 
> "Humanity" in this view is not an intrinsic nature to which we need to
> better conform, but is instead the title of a grand epic. It is not a
> static Platonic form but a promising project--a work in progress such
> that a look back through history will give us a hope for future
> progress and perhaps inspire new visions for what we may someday
> become. This narrative of progress I sketched is open to a lot of
> criticism. It is too simple, of course, which is the expense of
> brevity and attempted tidiness, and I am sure it is historically
> inaccurate in parts (I don't know much about proto-humans for
> example), but the need for such historical corrections asside, let's
> consider some more substantive objections to the ideas behind it.
> 
> Objection #1
> One of the criticisms of this metanarrative that I anticipate is the
> question, " is this metanarrative of moral progress--this story that
> paints everything as stories upon stories--itself true?" In asking
> whether the narrative I offered is true is to try to beg back the
> question. My argument boils down to saying that "but is it true?" is
> the wrong question that gets us involved in all those dualisms of
> Platonism. In place of such questions as "is it objective or
> subjective?" or "is it absolute or merely relative?" I suggest the
> question about my narrative, "is it any good?" In doing so I am
> begging back the question. The most basic issue at hand here is
> whether the Good ought to be subordinated to the True. the question is
> whether claims about what we ought to do need to be grounded in a
> philosophical systems of deductions to be valid or whether the true is
> instead only a particular kind of good--what is good to believe or a
> compliment we pay to sentences which are earning their keep in guiding
> us to what we want rather than a replacement God as capital-t Truth
> that demands our allegiance.
> 
> With regard to my metanarrative (where I paint a view of moral
> progress as better taking into account the needs of more and more
> beings through the expansion of the moral imagination through stories
> that help us see the other as also your self and their needs as also
> your own), I invite critics of this view who ask "but is it true?" to
> offer an alternative narrative or improvement upon the one I offered.
> (I'm sure it can easily be improved upon by others.) In doing so, I
> will be be trying to move the conversation back from "but which one is
> true?" to "which story is the better story?" because that shift in
> conversation away from grounding in philosphical foundations toward
> new and better narratives is what my metanarrative is really about.
> 
> Objection #2
> 
> This move away from grounded Truth is promoting irrationalism.
> 
> Some will see this move as anti-rational, but it is only
> anti-Rational. It supports our atempts to find better justifications
> for our beliefs and to also seek new and better beliefs, but it
> opposes the view that our beliefs can be grounded in an ahistorical
> transcultural faculty called Reason. I'm not asserting anything like
> "it's good to believe falsehoods" which would cash out to saying
> something like, "it is good to believe things that are bad to
> believe." I care very much about the truth. What I don't care about is
> the notion of Truth where our truth claims are thought to need a
> philosophical foundation that somehow stands God-like outside of
> history and culture in order to be taken seriously. We've never had
> anything like the foundation that philosophers of the past have said
> we needed and would someday provide for us. I don't think we will ever
> cash in on their promises, and I should therefore not be thought of as
> missing something very important in not claiming to have one or in
> saying that we don't need one. What I've tried to illustrate in the
> above story is that we can talk about progress without reference to
> one.
> 
> 
> Objection #3
> 
> 
> Without a genuine foundation, the skeptic, the cynic, and the criminal
> will see you metanarrative as an easily dismissed fairy tale.
> 
> In my story, the cynic and the skeptic are the result of the notion
> that our belief need a genuine foundation. Once we drop the Cartesian
> notion that our beliefs need to rest on some ground that stands
> outside of time and culture (which becomes easier when we recognize
> that Descartes's desire to have such a foundation was as culturally
> contingent and as historically situated as any other human desire and
> did not itself rest on anything outside of human experience) we come
> to see such skepticism as fake doubt, and we come to see such cynicism
> as merely the sounds of disappointment many of us make in never being
> handed the philosophical foundation that philosophers of the past told
> us we ought to be demanding but were never able to deliver upon.
> 
> The criminal you mention is a different story. I she does not already
> love and our stories have no effect despite all our most creative
> efforts, the best we may be able to do is to provide a system of
> carrots and sticks for getting her to act as though she does or else
> admit defeat and incarcerate her if that fails.
> 
> Objection #4
> 
> The question "why love?" is one do I sincerely have. I'm no
> psychopath, but I'm no Jesus either. I don't need a reason to love my
> family and friends, but I need a reason to care about people I don't
> know.
> 
> With the psychopath bit I was only getting to the basic question of
> "why love anyone at all?" (which I think is easily dismissed as a
> question that no one but the deranged really has) rather than the
> tougher questions we all struggle with like "why love people I don't
> even know?" I'm suggesting that these questions, like the question
> "why love anyone at all?" and "are human rights really self-evident?"
> only get answered with the expansion of moral imagination as we come
> to love others as ourselves--not as we love ourselves but literally
> recognizing others as also ourselves. That is moral growth and the
> only kind of moral growth. "Thou art that," as they say in the East.
> Your suffering is my suffering. Your joy is my joy. That is the sort
> of compassion that the Jesus most resonate with me taught--not to
> follow rules which presuppose a separation between the self and the
> other, but to cultivate the love that unites the two where such rules
> and carrots and sticks become irrelevant. These questions don't ever
> get answered with rational arguments that convince. Instead, the
> answers become self-evident with moral development just as Human
> Rights only became self-evidently true once humans became morally
> developed enough to recognize them as such.
> 
> Conclusion
> 
> Believers and nonbelievers will mostly agree about what is and is not
> moral. We pretty much all think it's good to help old ladies across
> the street, obey reasonable laws, and treat others with the same
> kindness that we would like to see returned. And we pretty much all
> think it is bad to rape, pillage, and murder. Our moral disagreements
> are generally far less significant thatn our agreements. Nevertheless,
> one idea we pragmatists may face strong disagreement from believers in
> the above concerns the notion that there is something called Human
> Nature and Natural Law that we need to conform to. I've pointed out
> that in the past this notion was often been used as a tool of
> oppression, but Darwin showed us that there is no such thing as human
> nature that defines moral boundaries. We are constrained more by the
> limits of our moral imaginations than by our Natures. We have
> benefited from moral geniuses of the past like Jesus, Gandhi, and MLK
> who have helped us to imagine new and better forms of community. I see
> the genius of such people in that they were able to see beyond
> supposed constraints on our moral possibilities due to our so-called
> "intrinsic natures." They denied the sort of claims that were made
> against them--all those platitudes that we still hear today that the
> way things are now is "only natural" and therefore cannot be made
> better. The fact that morally we are more than what we once were
> suggests that there is every reason to think that we can't strive to
> be still better. While the injunction "be pragmatic" often cashes as a
> suggestion that we ought to lower our expectations, the
> anti-foundationalism of James's, Dewey's, and Rorty's pragmatism helps
> free us to work toward a future which is not so constrained by our
> past as was previously thought. To be pragmatic in the Rortyian way is
> not to lower our expectations to conform to our Natures but to pehaps
> expect unimaginably more than we have been expecting. A look at out
> past makes it seem doubtful that future progress will be a matter of
> better conforming to two thousand year old moral moral visions of what
> our Nature is like. Such a brief look back at our past transcendence
> of old conceptions of our Nature as this may help us look more
> hopefully to the future for still further progress in the expantion of
> our circles of moral concern as we learn to better understand and take
> into account the needs of more and more beings capable of experiencing
> happiness and suffering.
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